Disproving Islam in 3 words

[Zerthamel]

So true.

[Thanatos]

I've got to say, I pretty much agree with the guy for the most part.

Didn't stick around to watch the last two minutes, though. I pretty much got where he was going.

[jankren]

Pffftt... what a weird question. Muhammad's followers do not adhere to the Bible so how does an 'Islamic' answer that Jesus is good make him agree that he is god?!? Hilarious video indeed. It is like a Muslim telling a Christian who obviously does not believe in Al Quran that Jesus is not God because Al Quran says so. It does not make sense.

Oh yeah by the way, I do not believe any prophet was sinless. All prophets were ordinary humans who made mistakes during their lives.

Peace,

[hwicce]

Please make it a rule to never take religous advice from someone under the age of 50. Absolute drivel.
All religions are the same.... Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc were enlightened individuals. Heaven and hell is here in the present you make it that way how you live your life. Everyone on the planet is the same, you are reborn again and agian until you become enlightened - just like the rest of the prophets. They became christ or gods. Read about the Hopi, the Nag Hammadi Library, Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung, Egypt, The Mayans, the teachings of Buddha, basic quantum physics, vedic scriptures, the Inca, etc... You will find small clues of a big puzzle...The big joke is we are all god. You will all figure it out eventualy....If not in this life then one down the road....

[morteduzionism]

Please make it a rule to never take religous advice from someone under the age of 50. Absolute drivel.
All religions are the same.... Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc were enlightened individuals. Heaven and hell is here in the present you make it that way how you live your life. Everyone on the planet is the same, you are reborn again and agian until you become enlightened - just like the rest of the prophets. They became christ or gods. Read about the Hopi, the Nag Hammadi Library, Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung, Egypt, The Mayans, the teachings of Buddha, basic quantum physics, vedic scriptures, the Inca, etc... You will find small clues of a big puzzle...The big joke is we are all god. You will all figure it out eventualy....If not in this life then one down the road....

Agreed.

Pantheism.

[Amorphos]

hwicce
true but...
if we are all god, then who is god 'himself'?

heaven and hell may be in the present as they belong to the given universals, yet there are realms beyond this one too [although i wouldn’t call them heaven and hell].

[VoodooTengo]

In response to his question is Jesus good? i think he has not thought through the answer. Muslims do not believe in the bible , they beleive in Jeusus' general message, but because it is an ispired holy book as opposed to a dictated one they believe the message has been corrupted (by the council of nicea, etc.). So since they dont believe in the bible and not all the gosopels are in agreement, (since not believeing in the bible you would also have to look at the gnostic gosopels) then you couldnt quote Jesus to answer the question because the authenticity of the quote would be in question.

I now realize my argument was pretty much the same as jankrens. But i also wanted to talk about the guy and his speech on Satan trying to corrupt us. I personally dont think that God or satan could personally interfere in our judgement because it would destroy the mystery of faith, and satan wouldnt need any help to lure people to hell. My favorite Jesus quote (aside from the sermon on the mount) is " Whoever blasphemes against the Father shall be forgiven, whoever blashphemes against the son shall be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes agaisnt the holy spirit shall not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven". This doesnt have anything to do with the question, but i would interpret this to mean that even if you dont believe in Jahova or Yahweh or Allah, whatever you want to call him (the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God) you would be forgiven, and the son one is obvious. I think the holy spirit part means the lack of any sort of belief in anything spirtual or divine will earn you damnation, or at the very least exclusion from heavan (it could have to do with the quatum theory about how if you believe in something it can manifest itself). I think that means as long as you have some faith you will be forgiven, but if you are arrogant enough to believe you are the highest form of existance you will not be forgiven. A response to this could be the quote the guy used in the film "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me", but if Jesus said the other quote, than through him would be through any form of faith, becuase he is life.

Another quote which applies to this in my opinion is "In examinations the foolish ask questions that the wise cannot answer." - Oscar Wilde, Phrases and Philosophies for the use of the Young, i think it is foolish to try to disprove someone elses religion, people have been trying to do that forever, and if it could be done in 3 words someone would have done it in the last 1400 years that islam has existed. And who cares what other people believe, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me. Personally i'm catholic and am Christian, but i dont believe that muslims will go to hell if they were good people (and after vatican II i think the churchs offical doctrine would agree), muslims also dont beleive that Christians or Jews or anyone else go to hell unless theyre bad people. I think the world would be a lot better off if people just said i dissagree with but respect your religion and left it at that.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Muslims do not believe in the bible , they beleive in Jeusus' general message, but because it is an ispired holy book as opposed to a dictated one they believe the message has been corrupted (by the council of nicea, etc.)

Corrupted "by the Council of Nicea etc"? Pardon? The Bible wasn't even discussed at the Council of Nicea. I know The Da Vinci Code and the kooky New Age works its based on state that the Bible was created at Nicea, but that's just plain crap. Try reading some historians on the subject, not hack thriller writers and kooks.

Basically about why in the bible did jesus go missing for 18 years?

Describes his birth, then gets to him being the age of 12, talking to the priests in the temple, after that, he all of a sudden returns into his own story at the age of 30 and starts his teachings.

What makes you think he was "missing" in those years or that he "went" anywhere? Nothing in the actual evidence indicates that he did anything other than live in Nazareth and work in his father's carpenter's shop. The gospels don't detail what he did in those years because pages of saying "And then Jesus got up at dawn, made things out of wood then went to bed" would not only be boring but wasn't relevant to the story they were telling. They take up the story again when something relevant to their message happens - ie 18 years later.

This is a theory thought of by real historians, that jesus went to india for 18 years during the buddhist maverick movement, and was taught about buddhism.

Wrong. No professional academic on the planet would touch that theory with a 40 foot bargepole and it was not developed by "historians", it was made up by New Age kooks. There's no evidence for it and there's nothing even slightly "Buddhist" about Jesus' teachings. He was a devout Jew teaching a Jewish message to other Jews - end of story. Anything else is weird fantasy.

[Beiss]

It all pretty much boils down to your definition of the word "good", which may well have been mistranslated or distorted on the way from Hewbrew / Arabic to English over thousands of years. If the word good = sinless, then I guess his argument is correct, provided that Jesus spoke that line in the Koran as well, not just in the bible. Not that that makes christianity any better.

[Zenith Darksea]

All religions are the same.... Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc were enlightened individuals. Heaven and hell is here in the present you make it that way how you live your life. Everyone on the planet is the same, you are reborn again and agian until you become enlightened - just like the rest of the prophets. They became christ or gods. Read about the Hopi, the Nag Hammadi Library, Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung, Egypt, The Mayans, the teachings of Buddha, basic quantum physics, vedic scriptures, the Inca, etc... You will find small clues of a big puzzle...The big joke is we are all god. You will all figure it out eventualy....If not in this life then one down the road....

You clearly haven't read what any of these prophets have actually said. Christ said that He was God, and makes it clear that man is not. Mohammed said that Christ was not God, and also makes it clear that man is not God. Buddhism does not believe in gods, and Krishna was supposed to be a God, not a man (as far as I'm aware). The problem I have with these theories that 'all religions are manifestations of one truth' is that, if it's true, then it's a very inconsistent truth indeed! Moreover, most of these religions completely refute the concept that every religion is an aspect of the same truth. It's a very nice, cosy, new age idea, but it's utterly ridiculous.

[Beiss]

Every religion is an aspect of the same truth? Some of them are wearing beer goggles.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

What's the point of such videos anyway?
I'm not much of a person of faith but of course, Jesus was good. The fact that he was humble and claimed that only god is good, which implies that he, himself, is not as good as god says a lot. Moreover, Mohammad never said stuff like, "hey, I'm good and pure" and all. Humility is an important feature in religious figures and no one would like someone who's blowing the trumpet about how righteous and pure he/she is.

[Axe-Battler]

You clearly haven't read what any of these prophets have actually said. Christ said that He was God, and makes it clear that man is not. Mohammed said that Christ was not God, and also makes it clear that man is not God. Buddhism does not believe in gods, and Krishna was supposed to be a God, not a man (as far as I'm aware). The problem I have with these theories that 'all religions are manifestations of one truth' is that, if it's true, then it's a very inconsistent truth indeed! Moreover, most of these religions completely refute the concept that every religion is an aspect of the same truth. It's a very nice, cosy, new age idea, but it's utterly ridiculous.

christ never said he was god or the son of god, MAN said he was the son of god.

in over 30,000 historical articles on the internet, books, documents, etc... of the timeline jesus was supposed to have lived, there in any of them was never the mentioning of his name...

this leads and gives strong evidence for many historians to believe jesus and almost everyone in the bible, characters such as mother mary, the apostles, king david, solomon, never existed in the first place.

Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc were enlightened individuals. Heaven and hell is here in the present you make it that way how you live your life. Everyone on the planet is the same, you are reborn again and agian until you become enlightened - just like the rest of the prophets. They became christ or gods. Read about the Hopi, the Nag Hammadi Library, Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung, Egypt, The Mayans, the teachings of Buddha, basic quantum physics, vedic scriptures, the Inca, etc... You will find small clues of a big puzzle...The big joke is we are all god. You will all figure it out eventualy....If not in this life then one down the road

Your incredible ability to see synchronicity between physics, philososphy, myth, religion, and psychology is a great gift...do not waste your mind...you clearly have one.

Just make sure to never conclude anything, the man with higher intellect is the one who concludes less.

[Zenith Darksea]

That is one of the most bizarre claims I have ever read. Which (respectable) historians don't believe that Christ didn't exist? Even atheists believe that He existed, at the very least!

Firstly, you've just flat out contradicted yourself.

in over 30,000 historical articles on the internet, books, documents, etc... of the timeline jesus was supposed to have lived, there in any of them was never the mentioning of his name...

this leads and gives strong evidence for many historians to believe jesus and almost everyone in the bible, characters such as mother mary, the apostles, king david, solomon, never existed in the first place.

Don't you realise that the Bible was a document in which Jesus' name was mentioned? Have you also perhaps heard of Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus, Irenaeus etc? There are quite a lot of documents mentioning Christ's name, in fact, the Bible being one of them. Considering that the letters to the Thessalonians have been dated as early as 40BC, I think that's contemporary enough. And where in the hell have you plucked the '30,000' articles number from? In fact, what on Earth are you talking about?

In the Bible at least Christ does say that He is the son of God. Considering that this person above was claiming that Christianity was revealing an aspect of a greater truth as revealed by other religions, I think that it's pertinent to point out that it's one of the most stupid theological claims that you can make.

[Blau&Gruen]

How can a young person already be that brain-washed?
Especially wacko are the music files at the end of the presentation.

[Axe-Battler]

Firstly, you've just flat out contradicted yourself.

sorry there's nowhere in my post that shows a contradiction.

Don't you realise that the Bible was a document in which Jesus' name was mentioned?

Don't you realize that the bible was written by man? And has nothing historically accurate in it at all?

And where in the hell have you plucked the '30,000' articles number from?

Historians.

In the Bible at least Christ does say that He is the son of God.

Yeah, the people that wrote the bible, added in the story, that's all it is, that jesus claimed to be the son of god.

Have you ever read "The Lost Years"?

Basically about why in the bible did jesus go missing for 18 years?

Describes his birth, then gets to him being the age of 12, talking to the priests in the temple, after that, he all of a sudden returns into his own story at the age of 30 and starts his teachings.

This is a theory thought of by real historians, that jesus went to india for 18 years during the buddhist maverick movement, and was taught about buddhism.

He returned to israel, and started teaching it there.

The romans saw him as a threat, because he would self empower people with these teachings... so they told him to claim he was the son of god, (possibly put into other terms, just claim he was supernatural), he refused and they crucified him for that.

The evidence of this theory, they found a writing in india that mentioned a man named issa(in indian, in latin "jesus") ariving at a buddhist temple...it talked about his entire stay, that lasted 18 years.

Friend all of these are just black and white theories.

You need to never conclude anything, and just ignore all this, well, pointless information.

If you really feel the need to become more intelligent, than stop concluding things, in the words of bruce lee "The man with the higher intellect is the man who less concludes".

Yes I told that to the guy in a previous post in this thread, but it's one of the most crucial things for any thinker to remember if he wants to advance himself.

All of it is black and white, nobody knows anything.
So don't laugh at me for speaking something that makes good sense, talked about by many historians, and at least makes more sense than anything the bible sais.

[basics]

After the flood, Noah's son Ham fathered Cush, whose name means confounder, who in turn fathered Nimrod or Ninus. When Nimrod became mighty in the land he was idolised by certain peoples and through Cush who knew of the prophesy of the " seed " that would die for his people, promoted Nimrod as that seed.

Being married to Semiramis, herself called the Babylonian whore, she and Cush made certain of Nimrod's elevation. When Shem killed Nimrod as punishment for his apostasy that was when the first false religion based on entry to the next world or salvation came into being. The Babylonian Mysteries were born and from these all Paganistic religions have derived.

" seed " in Chaldean means zero or circle thus it's interaction with the sun thought by many to be the meaning or origin of life. So Nimrod was depicted with a circle behind his head and was known also as the sungod among others. When killed by Shem his body was carved up so that pieces were displayed throughout the land as an example. This is where the cross or crosses emanate from as it was seen as on them that the parts were hung.

After the deification of Nimrod, Semiramis herself changed from being his wife into his mother and thus the titles of queen of heaven, mother of god and the virgin mother, this itself conforming with the original prophecy, became folklore. She is often figured with a crown on her head, that coming from her also being known as the builder of fortifications.

Knowing these things makes the authenticity of the coming Saviour more sure when it is seen that all the subsequent religions following Nimrod carried the same story to carry mankind into apostasy. Yes they had a trinity too, that being Nimrod or son, Cush the father and Semiramis as the holy spirit with the dove as her symbol.

They even celebrated the bread and wine, the bread being a perfect circle depicting the sun or Nimrod as sungod. Even so he was also known as the god of the sea or Dagon, thus the silly fish-head hats worn by his priests and still idolically used today under the guise of fishers. But then we do not have to travel very far to see or witness that this institution has never left us.

Regarding Islam, quite another matter, the whole thing is based on an angel, namely Gabriel, the same one who told Mary and Joseph of her carrying the " seed " to be known as Jesus, meaning God with us, appearing to that man with a completely different story. Now this was supposedly God's messenger with two different and opposing messages.

At the first he told of the baby coming and being God which all came true just as the old scriptures foretold and which the new scriptures verify, yet somehow he appears some hundreds of years later to say that for some reason he was wrong at the first appearance with Mary. Not only that but Jesus the Jewish king was to be replaced by a non-Jew not only as God but as a prophet of God by seniority, Mohammed taking that place.

This Jesus who had title to the throne of both Israel and God being upstaged by one of no title at all. By faith the first paid a price foretold for His people and the usurper a reward based on works and the basest of feelings, that of sex. And Jesus says that in heaven there is no marriage yet Mohammed promises that and more. One has to be telling porkies and I know who that is. Islam uses the same seduction equivalent to Semiramis in the quest for notoriety and dominion.

[Zenith Darksea]

sorry there's nowhere in my post that shows a contradiction.

Don't you realize that the bible was written by man? And has nothing historically accurate in it at all?

No, sorry, you said that there were no documents. The Bible is a large collection of documents. So, there's the contradiction - the fact that you claim that there are no documents and then acknowledge the presence of documents!

You may not believe it, but it's still a document. Not to mention of course all the letters, treatises etc. from the late 1st century. Of course it was written by man, but to say that there's nothing historically accurate in it is the biggest load of hogwash I've heard for months. You also don't seem to have noticed my point about the non-Christian historians who mention Christ and His followers, who clearly believed in the 1st century that Christ was the Son of God.

Historians.

Which historians? That answer isn't good enough. I asked you to name them.

Unless you can give me the names of historians and properly published academic articles/books, then there's no need for you to go on with these ludicrous claims.

[basics]

Ragabash,

The " Christian " that you describe is no Christian at all any more than those that include Mary in the deity or assume the church as the arbiter of new life, even the Pentecostalists who worship more of the Spirit than whom the Spirit Himself glorifies. The same can be said of the organisations, for what else are they, that preach child baptism where water never saved any. I know many people who think every word in the Bible to be literate and I know many who make excuse for any crank suggestion that deems God's word innefectual.

Jesus talked of two paths or roads, the narrow and the wide. The former leads to Heaven and the wide leads to Hell. The former of little number and the latter of large numbers, yet all believe that they are Christian and will continue down these roads until the last day or at least their time on the earth. But at the last day despite their cries of adherence He will deny them. Why, simply because He never called them in the first place. Like religion and being only religious people they assumed their own salvation.

No man gets to the Father except through Jesus Christ and no man gets to Jesus Christ except the Father draws him. The elect of God are exactly that, elected. They do not choose anything. The elect of God were chosen by the Godhead before the world was made. Their names are written in the Lamb's book of life and will be revealed at the judgement. Churches have absolutely nothing to do with that. That is not the purpose of the church or ecclesia.

You say that you are not a believer, but this does not mean that you always will be that way for God has an inate sense of acting upon people when they least expect it. Usually the start begins with Gospel reading or hearing, followed by a sense of worthlessness then conviction as Jesus is revealed in the mind and on the senses of the thinker. Then and only then is the participant brought to a state of inadequacy and hoplessness before God so that He may do what He does to renew that person.

Once renewed that person cannot ever go back to his or her old ways because they are gone. All things are new and only helped by the indwelling of the Holy Ghost so that His fruit is portrayed through that person in Christ Jesus. In other words they become enthusiastic ambassadors for the Lord Jesus Christ. They don't want to talk about or put up the merits of any church rather the name of Jesus Christ the Lord and Him only. You see God saved them through the blood of the precious Saviour and that is more important than anything else.

It wasn't done by good works, or law, or church, or any other organisation that pretends such. Just plain old Grace, freely given, upon all them that believe and unto all them that believe. It was unto all from the cross of blood spilling and is upon all whenever that person is changed or regenerate. There is nothing nor ever has been anything quite like it for the recipient did nothing, proved nothing, and thought nothing, that would induce God to do, if God didn't already know that which He was going to, before hand.

Religion knows not these things. Neither does Islam yet all claim what they do is in the name of the same God. Yet Jesus will condemn many by saying He never knew them and others by saying they never knew Him. So is it the same God to whom they give worship? Not according to God and not surprisingly He is the judge in these matters. Their religions require effort of some sort to become a member but not the elect for God has done it all for them.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Basics, your argument brings in predestination, and other similarly bizzare and complicated subjects.