Top Hamas Official: Kill All Jews & Americans

[Francisco Montana]

Top Hamas Official: Kill All Jews & Americans

Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One". Following are excerpts from the sermon that took place last month, courtesy of MEMRI.

Ahmad Bahr began: "You will be victorious" on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] "you will be victorious," but only "if you are believers." Allah willing, "you will be victorious," while America and Israel will be annihilated.

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[enoch]

either the muslims have to die or the rest of us do - Islam in its majority (the interpretation put forward by both high ranking clerics and the islamic countries of the world) modern interpretation is a conquering religion by nature

not to mention the push towards an active rightwing inclusive american proletariat is a direct reaction of the powers that be in the USA to the growing threat of Islam

Just look at Islam's history, it has usually prefered violent means of conversion and, for the half millenium, has not been optional if you wish to prosper under governments acting in the religion's name

[Crian]

either the muslims have to die or the rest of us do - Islam in its majority (the interpretation put forward by both high ranking clerics and the islamic countries of the world) modern interpretation is a conquering religion by nature

You have a point BUT making sweeping generalizations about a religion based on your limited perceptions would not be accurate.

Extremist Muslims represent a small but very publicized minority of Muslims. Be aware that the actual majority of the world's Muslim population (in Africa, India, Pakistan, South East Asia to name a few) practice Islam in a peaceful and non-violent manner. These high ranking clerics and islamic countries you refer to are usually from the Middle East, and have governments that have conflicts with the US and Israel in some form or another. They easily equate these conflicts as religious, labelling the US and Israel as "anti-Islamic" and their plight as "holy" and "for Allah". That way it is easier to sow terror.

It is NOT the religion , but the people who twist it to benefit their own agendas. I'm a Christian, but to label Islam this way would be stooping to the level of these terrorists.

[Carach]

either the muslims have to die or the rest of us do - Islam in its majority (the interpretation put forward by both high ranking clerics and the islamic countries of the world) modern interpretation is a conquering religion by nature

not to mention the push towards an active rightwing inclusive american proletariat is a direct reaction of the powers that be in the USA to the growing threat of Islam

Just look at Islam's history, it has usually prefered violent means of conversion and, for the half millenium, has not been optional if you wish to prosper under governments acting in the religion's name

ive been trying to enlighten the people of TWC on this issue for over a year enoch, im branded a nazi for it, i dont think you will do much better

but yea basically i agree with you.

[Janissary]

The problem with you people is. You are trying to solve a problem which you don't understand... Example look at how USA handles Binladen Tapes lol. They look at it... stample it as a terrorist and go bomb some countries. Does anybody really know what Bin Laden is trying to say on his tapes? Does anybody listen? Yeah sure he is a extremist, but behind any insane talk there is logic. That was just an example there is more.

either the muslims have to die or the rest of us do - Islam in its majority (the interpretation put forward by both high ranking clerics and the islamic countries of the world) modern interpretation is a conquering religion by nature

not to mention the push towards an active rightwing inclusive american protelariat is a direct reaction of the powers that be in the USA to the growing threat of Islam

Just look at Islam's history, it has usually prefered violent means of conversion and, for the last thousand years, has not been optional if you wish to prosper under governments acting in the religion's name

Dude... where are you from? And what the hell are you talking about?


Edited to combine double posts. ~ Lord Gruffles

[danzig]

The problem with you people is. You are trying to solve a problem which you don't understand... Example look at how USA handles Binladen Tapes lol. They look at it... stample it as a terrorist and go bomb some countries. Does anybody really know what Bin Laden is trying to say on his tapes? Does anybody listen? Yeah sure he is a extremist, but behind any insane talk there is logic. That was just an example there is more.

If I walked into your house pulled out a gun and shot every member of your family and then walked over to you and tried to explain to you why I did it...would you care? My guess is you wouldn't so the reaction that most people simply dont give a crap what Bin Laden wants or says beyond it being any help in killing or capture him is rather natural. Its the same reason when US or Israel bomb some building in Iraq or Lebanon to kill a terrorist leader that the people on the ground who are impacted by the blast and have friends and family killed dont give a rats ass on WHY it happened just that it did.

There is no elements of Islamic extremism that gives any indication that it can be talked to, listened to or understood in any manner that does involve trying to root it out so Ill agree with you to a point on that.

[morteduzionism]

There is no elements of Islamic extremism that gives any indication that it can be talked to, listened to or understood in any manner that does involve trying to root it out so Ill agree with you to a point on that.

Sure there is. The problem is the 'western' world does not want to even discuss the issue.

Israel.

First, Zionism is a secular movement started by persecuted Jews in Europe. Somehow they managed to convince the winners of WWI to carve out land their* religious book says should be theirs. AFTER debating whether or not to give them land in Africa or South America...lol...

if a group of people showed up at your house saying, "our god said this house is ours"...what're you going to say/do?...if the police showed up to enforce their gods promise...are you just going to say, "sure, you can have the house I grew up in and now raising my family in"...without some type of fight/protest? Furthermore, if you didn't have tanks, jet fighters, etc....would you just not fight?

NOONE can even bring up the topic of Israel without being called an anti-semite. Jimmy Carter.

Until someone, an American President, is willing/able to defend her/himself from the Jewish lobbyists and ask serious questions about the role/usefullness of blind support of Israel...there will be problems...why should any "extremist" listen when regardless of what is said American policy has been to support Israel no matter what?

*the foundation of the claim is found in religious texts...think about it...the world forced people of one religion to accept the claims, for land, of another peoples religion...if that's not a recipe for 'eternal strife'...someone tell me what is

**I say arm Palestine et al to an equal footing with Israel and let them fight it out again...it'll resolve itself one way or another

[enoch]

The problem with you people is. You are trying to solve a problem which you don't understand... Example look at how USA handles Binladen Tapes lol. They look at it... stample it as a terrorist and go bomb some countries. Does anybody really know what Bin Laden is trying to say on his tapes? Does anybody listen? Yeah sure he is a extremist, but behind any insane talk there is logic. That was just an example there is more.

Dude... where are you from? And what the hell are you talking about?


Edited to combine double posts. ~ Lord Gruffles

it was half a rant man - and anyway this issue is like overpopulation - sometimes bad **** has to be dealt with using less than ideal means - and no one wants to do it, but eventually it is gonna be figured out one way or another - so you hope for best, and expect what you personally feel is gonna happen to happen - thus you prepare yourself and others for the worst case scenario - you don't do this for all problems, only for the ones with the unforgivable consequences, and sometimes you have to walk a dark path to protect what you have chosen to represent in life

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

The problem with you people is. You are trying to solve a problem which you don't understand... Example look at how USA handles Binladen Tapes lol. They look at it... stample it as a terrorist and go bomb some countries. Does anybody really know what Bin Laden is trying to say on his tapes? Does anybody listen? Yeah sure he is a extremist, but behind any insane talk there is logic. That was just an example there is more.

Yeah theres alot of logic behind Bin Laden.... WHAHAHAHAH

If you think there's logic in killing thousands of people and seeing us "infidels" worth less then dogs then yeah I guess there's logic, but for the sane of us, there's not.

[Kefka_101]

Yeah theres alot of logic behind Bin Laden.... WHAHAHAHAH

If you think there's logic in killing thousands of people and seeing us "infidels" worth less then dogs then yeah I guess there's logic, but for the sane of us, there's not.

It may be 'evil' but killing on masse is certainly not illogical, depending on your goals.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

And the religion of love:

I love how Garb immediatly goes after christianity.

Honestly Garb, can you not discuss Islam without pointing a finger at christianity? I'm wondering how you got a reputation for being a good poster around here if that's all you can do.

Personally I'd like to see all religious peoples wiped off the face of the earth but we dont always get what we want do we?

That is such a horrible thing to say I'm seriously unable to respond.

Flame removed - Manstein

[Manji]

That is such a horrible thing to say I'm seriously unable to respond.

Attack the argument not the poster.

And Garb. made the reasoning that it's hypocritical for someone of the Christian faith to preach about religious temperance when Christianity was responsible for countless deaths; hypocritical though, not entirely unreasonable, in my opinion.

[Garbarsardar]

I love how Garb immediatly goes after christianity.

Honestly Garb, can you not discuss Islam without pointing a finger at christianity? I'm wondering how you got a reputation for being a good poster around here if that's all you can do.



That is such a horrible thing to say I'm seriously unable to respond.

Flame removed - Manstein

I did not go "after" Christianity (at least that was not my primary thought). I merely commented on the use of a picture as proof.

But since you bring this up, Christian authorities have shown often an intolerant face and people who claim to be Christians have committed despicable acts. Muslims too. Budhists too.

So the comment of the original poster about the "religion of peace" was actually an attempt to distract from the issue, namely fundamentalism, and to generalise upon all muslims.

[enoch]

ive been trying to enlighten the people of TWC on this issue for over a year enoch, im branded a nazi for it, i dont think you will do much better

but yea basically i agree with you.

it was half a rant man - and anyway this issue is like overpopulation - sometimes bad **** has to be dealt with using less than ideal means - and no one wants to do it, but eventually it is gonna be figured out one way or another - so you hope for best, and expect what you personally feel is gonna happen to happen - thus you prepare yourself and others for the worst case scenario - you don't do this for all problems, only for the ones with the unforgivable consequences, and sometimes you have to walk a dark path to protect what you have chosen to represent in life

in the end life is what it is - lets be clear that I would rather pursue other options but do not believe that things will go towards better paths, I think the Islamic countries of the world will only become more reactionary as it becomes clearer and clearer that their poverty is unnecessary amongst other things -and to be clear, I feel we have to end Islam as a secular power, not as a religion



by today's standards the middle east is a barbaric cultural community and I do believe that the US has intentionally fostered Christian evangelicalism in order to create a populace whose ignorance and barbarity can rival that of middle eastern Islam's - history shows us that in wars of this nature, the more fanatical populace (ie the government whose proles are most willing to suspend their own religious morality in exchange for victory) wins


other issues we don't but should talk about include overpopulation, and the fact that evolution did not stop at homo sapiens, and we are already likely many species rather then just one

[DisgruntledGoat]

The problem with you people is. You are trying to solve a problem which you don't understand... Example look at how USA handles Binladen Tapes lol. They look at it... stample it as a terrorist and go bomb some countries. Does anybody really know what Bin Laden is trying to say on his tapes? Does anybody listen? Yeah sure he is a extremist, but behind any insane talk there is logic. That was just an example there is more.

Have you ever listened to him? Bin Laden has a very clear goal with Al-Qaeda. He wants to establish an Islamic religious state over all the middle east. His dream is to topple the governments of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt... just to name a few. Theres no logic behind it, just religious fanaticism.

[tnick777]

the 'peaceful' religion

[Mangalore]

the 'peaceful' religion

If the sign would say "God, destroy...", would you then believe Christianity is a warlike religion?

Don't confuse people and their opinion with abstract constructs like religions.

Religions are usually nice and idealistic ideas, it's the religious followers who are the problem.

[Garbarsardar]

the 'peaceful' religion

And the religion of love:

[William the Bastard]

And the religion of love:

So god is for the Smoking ban then? As he/she/it appears to be a non smoker .

[Blau&Gruen]

And the religion of love

L'art du génie est sauvoir faire la pointe.
The art of a genius is to know how to make a plot.



En anglais, s'il-vous plait!
In english please! If you want to post in foreign languages we have a seperate forum for that. TY ~ Lord Gruffles