is artificial ‘life’ possible? [not AI] what then the implications!

[Amorphos]

is artificial ‘life’ possible? [not AI] what then the implications!

if we built a robot that is as dextrous and ‘intelligent’ as we are, it would still be a robot made of cables and microchips - basically a complicated machine. what if it were given the capability to observe, to see and feel the same way we do; would it then be alive?

point 1. i don’t know exactly what the dividing line is between sentient and not, but if there is something about us that is ‘spiritual’ [for want of a better term] then perhaps it is the capacity to think and feel by which body and soul are correlated? in theory then given that ‘like attracts like’ is the approximate basis by which we are born into our bodies, if we made a being with all the necessary faculties then we could create life!?!?!?

point 2. lets say that the above is achieved; what are the ethical implications and how could it change society?
2.1. women would not need to give birth.
2. 3. humans may not be needed anymore, or people may simply choose to have an artificial body. that is if the seat of consciousness may one day be known and it is possible to transport from body to body.
2.4.0. what happens if artificial living sentient beings are superior to humans.
2.4.1. if ‘they’ decided they are superior could we stop them. would they feel they had the right to be the prime beings of the world i.e. as humans are to animals, and be right!

[Thanatos]

I don't believe so. You can modify life, but you can't play God. If you did, all you'd get is some weird combination of amino acids, phosphates, and so forth, but they wouldn't do anything.

[Gaidin]

I don't believe so. You can modify life, but you can't play God. If you did, all you'd get is some weird combination of amino acids, phosphates, and so forth, but they wouldn't do anything.

Yet.

[Amorphos]

hi chaps

organic computers could be the start, who knows one day it may be possible to replicate neurons and build unique brains just as we build processors now!

we may not even need that, if a robot was as safisticated as the human form it may have the ‘natural’ capacity to hold a human ‘soul’ [here used simply to describe ‘you’] in some kind of bizarre scj-fi transferral. or worse still man may find out exactly what life is and how it migrates from body to body...


...then you could make things come alive.

[Jubal_Barca]

Robots will never take over the world*. We would just cut tha' power.



* Except sim.

[Amorphos]

you wouldn’t be able to cut their power any more than you can ours,and weare not exactly talking your average robot here.

think about it.

[Gaidin]

Sure we could. You can cut the power of an artificial organic construct as easily as you can a human. Starve it.

[Kanaric]

Dont scientists already create organisms like bacteria that are "artificial"?

[Simetrical]

Dont scientists already create organisms like bacteria that are "artificial"?

No. We haven't created even the simplest lifeforms from scratch yet, by any reasonable definition. We have modified some existing ones slightly, though, by tweaking chemicals produced or the size or presence of certain structures or whatnot.

[Thanatos]

You mean just heavily modified?

[Kanaric]

You mean just heavily modified?

Yes, i thought that they completely altered the genetic makeup and created them in labs. Its based on something that already existed in the past though.

No. We haven't created even the simplest lifeforms from scratch yet, by any reasonable definition. We have modified some existing ones slightly, though, by tweaking chemicals produced or the size or presence of certain structures or whatnot.

K, i think i recall though something else about artificial life from scratch being made in a lab, but its probably just a start and not life its self.

[Ummon]

Artificial life, sure. Artificial intelligence, should be forbidden.

[Amorphos]

i would think it possible to create from scratch - just not yet. however evolution doesn’t change species from scratch does it!

what i am wondering is e.g. ; if in some wild sci-fi future we know what the seat of consciousness is, could we create a ‘creature’ with perhaps longer life greater intellect etc. and would this make humanity invalid? ...or second best? ...they may after a time view us as merly animals.

i hope they are vegetarians

[Chaigidel]

artificial life will be life whether or not we made it--- same with a sentient machine--- if we manage to make one it will be entitled to all the rights of a sentient person in my mind...

I personally believe the entire purpose of human life is to construct the superior machine life--- a lifeform that could possibly conquer the entire galaxy, where we would fail due to our frailty

the purpose of mankind is the manifestation of the ascendancy of the machine
by that same token I doubt the machines would function on a level like people do, so to say the so-called AI would think in a way that would be unfamiliar to humanity I think.

but I do think they would develop their own systems of spirituality and logic based on the "machine" world view.

[Amorphos]

chia

I personally believe the entire purpose of human life is to construct the superior machine life

interesting notion! i quite like the idea of occupying a space creature i.e. an organic spaceship, that could wander the universe without end. the time it takes to travel between worlds would be irrelevant as it would have a lengthy hibernation period built in. one could go to all manner of planets teaching or simply living a life within an alien community, we could be great kings or warriors in ancient style cultures and make war etc to our hearts content - perhaps there are such being already here. :lol
ultimately a universally dextrous creature/machine could be made, thus we could make ourselves into a human form or any other, similarly the mind could be set as human like or not.i think the mind basically has a threefold nature nature anyhow it is just utilised in different ways by different animals. the intellect is born from the extra computing power of the human brain which i think is the maxim; it is like the ultimate computer would have the quickest connections, as so does the brain - if bigger those connections become greater too. having said that the computer itself can be seen as an example of how the intellect may be added onto without depreciating the primary meatware computer of the brain.

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[RivieraKid]

why would a creating an artificial life create such 'moral' problems? there are billions of different types of life on this planet and we all treat it all with the same complete disregard for it - even humans. so presumably, we'd treat it like that.

[Amorphos]

well one moral problem would then be that it may treat us with complete disregard. perhaps even see us as parasites.

[RivieraKid]

then its not really a moral problem but one of survival.

[Chaigidel]

yeah but if we apply the same rules to a superior form of machine life that we have applied to ourselves then we would be the fuel for the new species whatever happened to us---even if they ground us all up and used our neuro-transmitters and protiens to make integrated circuits-- or whatever they needed once the supreme life is born we will be but a sacrament to its apotheosis.--willingly i would hope.--

[Simetrical]

artificial life will be life whether or not we made it--- same with a sentient machine--- if we manage to make one it will be entitled to all the rights of a sentient person in my mind...

If it wants them. Why would we give sentient machines the desire to have rights?