KABOOM! Holy ****! CA has created a Masterpiece!!! 1.2 patch is ultimate, new diplomacy mods will only wreck this beauty!

[Axe-Battler]

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I finally after finishing my 7.0 mod, got to play it, (using patch 1.2)...

I made a new battles system which was the only thing needed work on, which is fine now.

This patch, is SOOOO good, it's by far the best patch for any other total war game!!!

I could not believe it! ceasefires for free! No matter what! If you're winning the enemy they will ask a ceasefire for no money!

Numerous times, ceasefires, map info for map info, second trips, third trip rounds! OMG! OMG! OMG!

This is incredible!!! Why has no one posted threads describing the pure beauty of 1.2!?

This game with 1.2 is now, I can finally say, better than even mtw1!!! And that's an awfully big claim to make about a game being better than mtw1.

Diplomacy, at it's perfection, it does not get any better than 1.2!

the campaign ai loved to attack me! Multiple invasions! Incredible!

I for the first time since playing mtw1, can finally love LOVE LOVE!!! a total war game again!

rtw, garbage, rtw mods no better, mtw2 1.1 fairly descent, but mtw2 1.2 is superiorly outstanding in the art of glory and goodness!

CA is the greatest game designers in history!

[Yogi Bear]

Someones had a few too many drinks..

[Axe-Battler]

don't drink sorry.

[iudas]

No more. *Installs M2TW again and installs patch 1.2*

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

This is incredible!!! Why has no one posted threads describing the pure beauty of 1.2!?

We have, several times.
No one listens to us .
But yeah 1.2 is a damn fine patch and you can see that alot of work has been put into it to make it so.

[G3N3RAL GR13V0US]

Will it reduce the turn times oh and ARE ALL I MEAN ALL KNOWN BUGS PURGED??

EDIT: Where the bloody hell did you blokes get this

[Brenil]

I think you're a exaggerating a little. 1.1 vanillia had many of the things you're praising. Ceasefires were free and common enough. As were vassals (although they did correct this far better in 1.2).

While I agree the campaign AI has improved, it hasn't significantly done so; especially not so much as to not require AI mods.

1.2's campaign AI works on the premise of this:

The player is the main enemy within the campaign (except on low difficulties), thus many nations will attempt to gang bang you from turn 20ish onward until you conquer the world. Also, the AI still does it's old raiding tricks as well as sending small inferior stacks to attack superior ones.

Alliances are just a mess (and from modding experience a pain in the ass to fix in 1.2 apparently), nations judge alliances based on wims, no real conditions. Moors will try and ally with everyone, including the Papal States. 1.2 AI has no parameters in set to make alliances mean anything, as such many nations will get tons of alliances only to break them in the event of war with one of their allies allies, which will undoubtly happen.

Another problem is ceasefires are still difficult to aquire unless you're handedly beating a nation. Border skirmishes are near non-existant, naval invasions are still quite bizzare as well.

While I too applaud CA's improvements in 1.2 (campaign AI is actually one of the more minor things they changed), I wouldn't get too optimisic and say that the AI cannot get any better and that it's for all intents and purposes 'perfect'. It could always stand to be better and in this game as well as most others, the community are the ones that will ultimately decide how perfected this game will become.

[Axe-Battler]

Like at first notice, I didn't see any difference, I was well, in a way I think alot of us have become pessimistic about CA and patches and everything... but after a while I just noticed the diplomacy was so awesome, just it reminded me of the reasonable AI in mtw1 that demanded ceasefires when it was losing a war.

[Captain Kirk]

No. Way.

Drops Jaw and starts crying for want of the offical release

[selenius4tsd]

Lets keep the trolling down and let ramtha have his moment.

[GrandViZ]

Campaign AI 1.2 and diplomacy are far from being called perfect. Brenil has listed some of the major complains, but there are even more.

AI will DoW far superior powers it has no border with for no reason, except for being the human player! I'd call this stupid and fun-braking behavior.

AI will DoW and sign peace too frequently, not to say at random.

The value of diplomatic proposals is still not consistent. How can exchanging maps be more valuable than getting an alliance?

AI still fails to effectively conquer rebel settlements or it takes far too long. In turn 30+ there are still many non-conquered rebels around.

AI spreads its armies far too much.

...

But yeah, 1.2 is perfect?

Regards
GrandViZ

[ENSAIS]

Actually I pretty much agree with the parts of the thread that I thinkI understand...
I would really, really like that darn patch to be released just so mods I really enjoy like Dearmad's BBB will be updated too. So far though, MTW2Classic with BBB already in it (or LTC 2.3 without) seem to me a marked improvement over prior versions.

[Condottiere SOG]

Now, now. I've definitely had my pints after this days modding. Sock-in-the-jaw fun.