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    Nickelback
    Never Again



    He's drunk again, it's time to fight
    She must have done something wrong tonight
    The living room becomes a boxing ring
    He's time to run when you see him
    Coming licking his hands
    She's just a woman
    Never Again

    I hear a scream, from down the hall
    Amazing she can even talk at all
    She cries to me, Go back to bed
    I'm terrified, She'll wind up Dead
    In his hands, She's just a woman
    Never Again

    Been there before, but not like this
    Seen it before, but not like this
    Never before have I have
    Seen him this bad
    She's just a woman
    Never Again

    Just tell the nurse, you slipped and fell
    It starts to sting as it starts to swell
    She looks at you, she wants the truth
    It's right out there in the waiting room
    With those hands
    Lookin just as sweet as he can
    Never Again

    Seen it before, but not like this
    Been there before, but not like this
    Never before have I have
    Seen him this bad
    She's just a woman
    Never Again

    Father's a name you haven't earned yet
    You're just a child with a temper
    Haven't you heard "Don't hit a lady"?
    Kickin' your ass would be a pleasure

    He's drunk again, it's time to fight
    Same old ****, just on a different night
    She grabs the gun, she's had enough
    Tonight she'll find out how ****ing
    Tough is this man
    Pulls the trigger just as fast as she can
    Never Again

    Seen it before, but not like this
    Been there before, but not like this
    Never before have I have
    Seen him this bad
    She's just a woman
    Never Again



    This song is a narrative of a case of domestic violence. I'm possessed of a personal belief that wife beaters and child beaters/molesters should be castrated. But what are your thoughts on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    This song is a narrative of a case of domestic violence. I'm possessed of a personal belief that wife beaters and child beaters/molesters should be castrated. But what are your thoughts on it?
    I agree, but let me contribute this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Face Down, by The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
    Hey girl you know you drive me crazy
    one look puts the rhythm in my hand.
    Still I'll never understand why you hang around
    I see what's going down.

    Cover up with make up in the mirror
    tell yourself it's never gonna happen again
    you cry alone and then he swears he loves you.

    Do you feel like a man
    when you push her around?
    Do you feel better now as she falls to the ground?
    Well I'll tell you my friend, one day this world's going to end
    as your lies crumble down, a new life she has found.

    A pebble in the water makes a ripple effect
    every action in this world will bear a consequence
    If you wade around forever you will surely drown
    I see what's going down.

    I see the way you go and say your right again,
    say your right again
    heed my lecture

    Do you feel like a man
    when you push her around?
    Do you feel better now as she falls to the ground?
    Well I'll tell you my friend, one day this world's going to end
    as your lies crumble down a new life she has.

    One day she will tell you that she has had enough
    its coming round again.
    (repeat)

    Do you feel like a man, when you push her around?
    Do you feel better now as she falls to the grown?
    Well I'll tell you my friend, one day this world's going to end
    as your lies crumble down, a new life she has.

    Face down in the dirt she says, this doesn't hurt she says I finally had enough..
    (repeat)
    Same kind of thing.
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    Domestic violence is terrible


    But I really only posted in this thread to say that Nickelback sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Domestic violence is terrible


    But I really only posted in this thread to say that Nickelback sucks.
    My day is made. You are the man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Domestic violence is terrible


    But I really only posted in this thread to say that Nickelback sucks.
    Quoted for truth.

    I do think pedophiles are worse than those who commit Domestic Violence, but if that does include child abuse they normally go hand in hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SickBoy13 View Post
    Quoted for truth.

    I do think pedophiles are worse than those who commit Domestic Violence, but if that does include child abuse they normally go hand in hand.
    Even if the domestic violence is only aimed at the mother, the psychological effect on their children is as harmful.


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    I have zero issues with beating your kids.

    I'm not talking slapping him. I'm talking punches, stumps and cricket bats. That's how you build an emotionally strong kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kshcshbash View Post
    I have zero issues with beating your kids.

    I'm not talking slapping him. I'm talking punches, stumps and cricket bats. That's how you build an emotionally strong kid.
    You mean you have no objection to beating someone else's kids?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    This song is a narrative of a case of domestic violence. I'm possessed of a personal belief that wife beaters and child beaters/molesters should be castrated. But what are your thoughts on it?
    Castration is too lenient. I think they should be crucified or something.


    "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." -- Robert Pirsig

    "Feminists are silent when the bills arrive." -- Aetius

    "Women have made a pact with the devil — in return for the promise of exquisite beauty, their window to this world of lavish male attention is woefully brief." -- Some Guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Castration is too lenient. I think they should be crucified or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    As a victim of domestic abuse during my childhood, somehow I felt overly emotional.


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    "Feminists are silent when the bills arrive." -- Aetius

    "Women have made a pact with the devil — in return for the promise of exquisite beauty, their window to this world of lavish male attention is woefully brief." -- Some Guy

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    The lead singer looks real funny. Chad Krueger is it? Big head, bad hair, bad facial hair, not that great voice.

    But that is a good piece about domestic violence, a terrible thing.
    But mark me well; Religion is my name;
    An angel once: but now a fury grown,
    Too often talked of, but too little known.

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    Perpetrators of domestic violence are weaklings...a woman and children can't stand up to a man. I could take out my entire family with one hand behind my back in about 10 seconds - but the thing is, I am not a wimp, so would never lay a hand on any of them in anger.

    These guys just need to be jailed, and the other prisoners should just be told of their crimes. In Australian prisons people who assault women or children are at the bottom of the barrel, and would be beaten senseless on a daily basis. Maybe then they will learn what it is like to be powerless and abused.

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    Excuse me in my incredulity. Beating is justified when it is used to build character? Just to point it out here, but beating tends to have the opposite effects - rather building character, it tends to break it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Excuse me in my incredulity. Beating is justified when it is used to build character? Just to point it out here, but beating tends to have the opposite effects - rather building character, it tends to break it down.
    In that case, it's applied wrongly. My father took things a bit farther than most, but a hard smack in the face teaches a kid far better than "time out" does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kshcshbash View Post
    In that case, it's applied wrongly. My father took things a bit farther than most, but a hard smack in the face teaches a kid far better than "time out" does.
    Not really; it teaches him violence is acceptable and that violence is a good (and proper) way of getting things done. Its called negative reinforcement and I feel sure Ummon could go into more detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Not really; it teaches him violence is acceptable and that violence is a good (and proper) way of getting things done. Its called negative reinforcement and I feel sure Ummon could go into more detail.
    Tell me why slapping your kid in the face when he outright disrespects you is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kshcshbash View Post
    Tell me why slapping your kid in the face when he outright disrespects you is wrong.
    See also, my previous answer about negative reinforcement: when someone (anyone) does that to him, he will see it as an appropriate response. Furthermore it is simply saying "I'm right because I'm stronger" - physical violence does not show him why he is in the wrong, unless its because you can hit him. It lays the seeds for, when he is stronger than you, him to hit you, I might add...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kshcshbash View Post
    In that case, it's applied wrongly. My father took things a bit farther than most, but a hard smack in the face teaches a kid far better than "time out" does.
    Discipline is different than Domestic violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kshcshbash View Post
    In that case, it's applied wrongly. My father took things a bit farther than most, but a hard smack in the face teaches a kid far better than "time out" does.
    You might want to research that. You'll find that studies show that physical discipline creates the opposite affect over long periods of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    Yes, it is negative and neccessarily bad, pretty much... there's a reason its called negative reinforcement.
    Sorry Ozy, but you are using the term negative reinforcement incorrectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by wiki, cause its convenient
    Negative reinforcement is an increase in the likelihood of a behavior when the consequence is the removal of an aversive stimulus. Turning off (or removing) a shock when a rat presses a bar is an example of negative reinforcement (if this increases the likelyhood of the rat pressing the bar in the future. Scratching an itch is another example of negative reinforcement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

    Time out is negative reinforcement. Taking away a child's toy or freedom is negative reinforcement. It simply means that, theoretically, the child will not commit the behavior that is associated with a punishment, rather than commit a pehavior associated with a reward.

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