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    An Earth-like planet spotted outside our solar system is the first found that could support liquid water and harbor life, scientists announced today.

    Liquid water is a key ingredient for life as we know it. The newfound planet is located at the "Goldilocks" distance — not too close and not too far from its star to keep water on its surface from freezing or vaporizing away.

    And while astronomers are not yet able to look for signs of biology on the planet, the discovery is a milestone in planet detection and the search for extraterrestrial life, one with the potential to profoundly change our outlook on the universe.

    ”The goal is to find life on a planet like the Earth around a star like the sun. This is a step in that direction,” said study leader Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland. “Each time you go one step forward you are very happy.”

    The new planet is about 50 percent bigger than Earth and about five times more massive. The new “super-Earth” is called Gliese 581 C, after its star, Gliese 581, a diminutive red dwarf star located 20.5 light-years away that is about one-third as massive as the Sun.

    Smallest to date
    Gliese 581 C is the smallest extrasolar planet, or “exoplanet,” discovered to date. It is located about 15 times closer to its star than Earth is to the Sun; one year on the planet is equal to 13 Earth days. Because red dwarfs, also known as M dwarfs, are about 50 times dimmer than the Sun and much cooler, their planets can orbit much closer to them while still remaining within their habitable zones, the spherical region around a star within which a planet’s temperature can sustain liquid water on its surface.

    Because it lies within its star’s habitable zone and is relatively close to Earth, Gliese 581 C could be a very important target for future space missions dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life, said study team member Xavier Delfosse of Grenoble University in France.

    “On the treasure map of the universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X,” Delfosse said.

    Two other planets are known to inhabit the red dwarf system. One is a 15 Earth-mass “hot-Jupiter” gas planet discovered by the same team two years ago, which orbits even closer to its star than does Gliese 581 C. Another is an 8 Earth-mass planet discovered at the same time as Gliese 581 C, but which lies outside its star’s habitable zone.

    Possible waterworld
    Computer models predict Gliese 581 C is either a rocky planet like Earth or a waterworld covered entirely by oceans.

    “We have estimated that the mean temperature of this super-Earth lies between 0 and 40 degrees Celsius [32 to 104 degrees Fahrenheit], and water would thus be liquid,” Udry said.

    The scientists discovered the new world using the HARP instrument on the European Southern Observatory 3.6 meter telescope in La Sille, Chile. They employed the so-called radial velocity, or “wobble,” technique, in which the size and mass of a planet are determined based on small perturbations it induces in its parent star’s orbit via gravity.

    Udry said there was a fair amount of time between the calculation of Gliese 581 C’s size and the realization it was within its star’s habitable zone. “That came at the end,” Udry said.

    When it did hit him, Udry knew he would be spending time fielding phone calls from the media. “You right away think about the journalists who will like it very much,” he told SPACE.com.

    More to come
    David Charbonneau, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who was not involved in the study, said the new finding is an “absolutely fantastic discovery.”

    “It means there probably are many more such planets out there,” Charbonneau said in a telephone interview. Whether Gliese 581 C harbors life is still unknown, but “it satisfies for the first time a key requirement.”

    Charbonneau also praised the team’s technical skills. “The wobble induced on the star by each of these planets is really tiny — it’s just a few meters a second. That means their measurement precision is exquisite,” he said.

    David Latham, another astronomer at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA, echoed other scientists’ praise of the discovery but said the next step is to find a similar world where the orbit of the habitable planet carries it between Earth and its parent star. This will allow scientists to observe it using the transit technique, whereby the small dimming starlight caused by the planet’s passage across the face of its sun can be used to calculate its size.

    Only then can scientists determine for certain whether the world is rocky or covered by water, Latham said.

    Alan Boss, a planetary theorist at the Carnegie Institution of Washington in Washington D.C., said the new planet’s potential for liquid water made it “fascinating." Gliese 581 C “is the closest planet to another Earth that has been found to date. I hope the SETI folks are listening,” Boss said.

    Seth Shostak, a senior astronomer at the SETI institute, said the Gliese 581 system has in fact been looked at twice before for signs of intelligent life. The first time was in 1995 using the Parks Radio Telescope in Australia; the second time was using the Greenbank Radio Telescope in West Virgina. Both times revealed nothing.

    “It has been looked at twice, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at it again,” Shostak said. “And indeed we should because this is the best candidate the solar planet guys have come up with yet.”

    Shostak said he was “jazzed” by the discovery. “This is pointing to something that in the past has only been an assumption, namely that Earth-sized worlds are not rare,” he said. “We know of only two [planets in the habitable zone]. We know this one and we know our own. But two is better than one.”

    Shostak said the Gliese 581 system might be looked at again when the new Allen Telescope Array begins operations this summer.

    “You could say it’s going to the head of the class,” he said.
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    This is really a landmark development in our search for habitable planets outside of our solar system. Hopefully, the new telescope studies planned for this summer will reveal whether or not life truly exists outside of Earth.
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    As they said, it might show that the chances of a planet being in the right place for life is not such a long shot.
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    very cool. I hope they learn more about it soon.
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    Nice! I'll definately be keeping up with this. Problem is that research goes so slow, takes years to learn new info. Realistically, I think it will be several generations from now before we find something really big, like life on other planets. But it's things like this that get us there. Great job guys in white coats, keep it up!

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    I believe I read that they will have a a satellite or something in orbit in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DimondLight View Post
    I believe I read that they will have a a satellite or something in orbit in 2020.
    By the time they finally get that thing in orbit, it will be obsolete... *grumble*
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    I hope hyperdrive is invented soon, I must lead humanity in a conquest of the stars and scum alien freaks with their pointy heads and slimy tentacles and tipping our cows...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulyaoth View Post
    I hope hyperdrive is invented soon, I must lead humanity in a conquest of the stars and scum alien freaks with their pointy heads and slimy tentacles and tipping our cows...
    Don't forget flattening our corn!!!

    Seriously guys... you fly hundreds of light-years to get here and the best way you can think of to communicate with us is... crop circles?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulyaoth View Post
    I hope hyperdrive is invented soon, I must lead humanity in a conquest of the stars and scum alien freaks with their pointy heads and slimy tentacles and tipping our cows...
    I won't bet my money on "hyperdrives" or any other FTL travel, as it simply can't be done. Wormholes maybe?... but if they exist can we then control them and "build" them?

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    I believe I read that they will have a a satellite or something in orbit in 2020.
    Around what? Do you mean a satellite in orbit around Earth to look for these planets or a satellite around this new planet. If you mean the latter then it would defy the laws of physics to be able to do that (I'll explain more if that's what you mean).

    I always love it when the media get hold of scientific discoveries with the word "could" and "may" and "possibly" in them. They shout it out as if it were a fact. BBC Radio 1's news this morning said "Scientists have found a new planet that may contain new life" but in such a way that it seemed like they said "Scientists have found new life in the universe!". Clever advertising for them but wrong.

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    Yeh, scientific correspondants always seem to push stories a little too far which is annoying as you get a case of crying wolf a little too much and people then don't take science too seriously. The story is an important one though as it is the first planet that really ticks all the boxes for habitability.

    As for the 2020 comment, i think you are talking about the NASA'S TPF or Terrestrial Planet Finder that should be able to image and analyse the atmosphere of these planets.

    Hopefully ESA will get it's act together and develop Darwin, it's own version. They'll revolutionise astronomy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syron View Post
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    Yeh, scientific correspondants always seem to push stories a little too far which is annoying as you get a case of crying wolf a little too much and people then don't take science too seriously. The story is an important one though as it is the first planet that really ticks all the boxes for habitability.

    As for the 2020 comment, i think you are talking about the NASA'S TPF or Terrestrial Planet Finder that should be able to image and analyse the atmosphere of these planets.

    Hopefully ESA will get it's act together and develop Darwin, it's own version. They'll revolutionise astronomy.
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    Oh sure, we're all excited now, but wait until we piss them off, and they come destroy the earth, you won't be so happy then...

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    Good news, but that planet wont be able to support us because of is weak sun and small size. The best news would be if they had found a planet with a star about the size of our Sun, but this shows that there is a chance for life somewhere else than Earth.

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    EXCELLENT news, I knew this was going to happen eventually. There was something on the discovery channel a while back a "what if" about a planet exactly like they describe this one.

    Anything that close to a star eventually stops rotation. Since it doesn't rotate it would have a perpetual storm on the part of the planet closest to the sun however it would still be habitable and could easily support life.

    They say they dont know what kind of atmosphere it has, i wonder if they have any way of figuring it out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    They say they dont know what kind of atmosphere it has, i wonder if they have any way of figuring it out?
    Comparison of two spectroscopies of the rays from the planet's star, one coming directly and the other coming through the planet's atmosphere, I would guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Good news, but that planet wont be able to support us because of is weak sun and small size.
    Not at all. it would be habitable on the stars energy alone, dependant on atmosphere of course. It's star is comparatively small however it is closer to it's parent star than earth is so the relative weakness of the star is negated. The planet would receive approximately the same stellar flux as earth does.

    The main problem is this particular planet has a higher gravity than Earth, so as long as you don't mind being crushed, you're fine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    The best news would be if they had found a planet with a star about the size of our Sun, but this shows that there is a chance for life somewhere else than Earth.
    Similar planets to earth (in cosmic terms) have been observed around sun-like stars. This Planet however is about the most similar in terms of surface conditions that we've yet seen.

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    Comparison of two spectroscopies of the rays from the planet's star, one coming directly and the other coming through the planet's atmosphere, I would guess...

    Indeed. it's the same effect as "earthshine", the light satelites see that's reflected off the earth. by studying the light the planet reflects off it's surface it is possible to determine the atmospheric composition. This has already been done with some planets.

    The main problem is the fact usually this "planetshine" is so much weaker than the parent stars light and so you need extremely powerful telescopes, or innovative techniques, to see it. hopefully in the next decade this is what's going to happen.




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    Radiation.

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    that planet wont be able to support us because of is weak sun and small size
    As above, but it's not a small planet it's half as big again as the Earth is (that's 1.5 x Earth's size). I think I could cope with 5 x gravity for a while. It'd be uncomfortable but after a while you'd just end up uber muscular and would learn to adapt. Then it'd feel weird coming back to Earth. Although....you'd probably end up with some kind of spinal problems.

    Radiation.
    Agreed, but our Earth's magnitic field keeps us pretty safe from our massively radioactive sun. It's possible that this planet has a similar mechanism.

    The main problem I see is that it's not orbiting a star, but a mining ship, which won't put out that much energy.

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