Girls murder friend because it felt 'just right'

[Niles Crane]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21607953-2,00.html

TWO teenagers who wanted to experience murder told police it "felt right" to strangle a friend and bury her body in a shallow grave beneath her West Australian home.

The 17-year-old girls, who cannot be named due to their age, today faced a sentencing hearing in Perth Children's Court after pleading guilty to murdering Eliza Jane Davis in the small coal mining town of Collie on June 18, 2006.

As the girls sat stony-faced in court today, Prosecutor Simon Stone said they had confessed that after partying with Eliza on the Saturday night they decided to kill her.

"Sunday morning me and (her) woke up, and we were just talking, and for some reason we just decided to kill her," one of the girls told police in her interview.

"We just did it because we felt like it, it is hard to explain," the other girl said.

"I knew we had wanted to kill someone before.

"We knew it was wrong, but it didn't feel wrong at all, it just felt right."

The girls planned their attack and changed into old clothes.

One of them snuck up behind Eliza as she was reading, wrapped speaker wire twice around her throat and quickly tightened it as the other held her down, trying to press a chemical soaked cloth into her mouth.

"She started not being able to get her breath, and we just kept going," one of the girls said.

"She was just yelling at us `What the ******, what are you doing' .. `Oh you freaks, what's wrong with you psychos."

Mr Stone said they chose to strangle Eliza because one of them had to return to Perth that afternoon and they wanted a quick and "non-messy" killing.

"As our friend, we did not really want her to suffer," one told police.

"We didn't really expect to get away with it.

"We were willing to take the risk."

The girls regretted the fuss the killing caused but neither felt remorse for their dead friend, Mr Stone said.

"If she had died another way it probably would have bothered me ... but it just did not," one girl said.

The girls reported Eliza missing after they buried her and pretended to help her family look for the dead girl.

The girls turned themselves in several days later, walking into separate police stations and directing authorities to where they buried her body.

Mr Stone told the court the girls had no remorse and were holding back on the reason behind their cold-blooded, premeditated, sadistic killing.

"It is a mystery your honour, what happened."

He said the girls had discussed killing someone else and one had prepared for homicide by killing two kittens.

"Whilst together (they) will continue to pose some risk to others in custody."

Mr Stone called for sentences of life in prison.

The hearing continues tomorrow.

I can't quite believe it. Their reasoning is absolutely ridiculous, it's beyond belief.

[Ummon]

You don't understand it? That's a problem. If you don't understand it, you perpetuate the risk that it might happen again somewhere else.

[Niles Crane]

You don't understand it? That's a problem. If you don't understand it, you perpetuate the risk that it might happen again somewhere else.

No, I don't understand how anyone could possibly murder their friend to see what it felt like. It's despicable.

[Ummon]

No, I don't understand how anyone could possibly murder their friend to see what it felt like. It's despicable.

Yes, indeed, dispiseable. On the other hand, every human being has the potential to do something like that. Some are just lucky enough not to be challenged.

The world isn't getting any different than it was 100, or 1000 years ago. We are currently being tackled by our ability to see it as it is.

[Talbaz]

No, I don't understand how anyone could possibly murder their friend to see what it felt like. It's despicable.

well very easily

"all organism, all the time, try to lower there internal conflict"

^ meaning of life right there

if at the time it cause the person less internal conflict to kill the person then they would do it

P.S. yes this does mean you don't have free will cause you will always take the path that cause you the least internal conflict 100% of the time

[the_mango55]

well very easily

"all organism, all the time, try to lower there internal conflict"

^ meaning of life right there

if at the time it cause the person less internal conflict to kill the person then they would do it

P.S. yes this does mean you don't have free will cause you will always take the path that cause you the least internal conflict 100% of the time

Uhh, what?

If that were the case, we would all just kill ourselves and be done with it.

[Kythras]

Okay, I just gotta get a few joeks out of the way, they're in very poor taste, but the fact of the matter is, I either make them at school or here, and I have the benefit of anonimity here...

I can see what'll happen to these girls, they're rot for a few years in prison, the last dredges of humanity will be drained out of them... then they'll get a call from the CIA...

And...

If I lived in Western Australia I'd commit homocide too, just to get into prison. I mean, come one, even prison has to be better than Western Australia...

On a more serious note...

I'm really suprised by the amount of people advocating death for the pair. I, personally, believe that no one, ever, under any circumstances, deserves death. Also, even if they were in one of those hardline, death-penalty enforcing Western countries(/states in the US's case), they're only 17, so they wouldn't be able to be sentenced to death anyway (or so I believe - if they could be... that's just messed up)...

[Talbaz]

Uhh, what?

If that were the case, we would all just kill ourselves and be done with it.

why would we just kill ourselves suicide causes a larger amount of internal conflict in most people that is why only people that feel they have nothing left to live for do because to them continue living causes more internal conflict

Edit: am not say i support the girls for what they did, but i am answering the question of why they did it.

[Dutchpower]

Send them to a turkish prison for 20 years.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Wow. Some sociopaths.

[Marku]

this world just keeps getting crazier, just awhile ago i heard an 11 year old Hanged himself due to bullying, jesus christ, 11!!!

[andrey_90]

It's sick.They must have some serious problems.

[mrjesushat]

Bizarre. Generally, the guilt reflex will generate some kind of self-justification in a situation like this.

You know, "Well, she smelled bad all the time," or, "She screwed so and so's boyfriend," or even, "She talked about us behind our backs,". But no attempt at justification at all?

This is weird. I'm not certain that capital and criminal penalties will be able to deter people if it becomes fashionable to kill someone because it "feels right". We might have some problems on our hands if this kind of thing catches on.

And Marku...can you post a link about that 11 year old? That sounds like it's worth reading. Espescially in light of the recent VT shootings being motivated by a life of social ostracization and bullying.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

Oh, it's in Perth.

Makes sense.

Edit; well not really, that's sick. You get crazies everywhere it seems.

[Kythras]

Wow, that's messed up... I think that's all anyone can say...

[Garbarsardar]

Oh, it's in Perth.

Makes sense.

Edit; well not really, that's sick. You get crazies everywhere it seems.

It's comfortable to label them "crazies" right?

It's comfortable that those are psychopaths and not normal human beings capable for the worst as we all are.

I'm afraid that the exclamation and indignation serves no purpose in understanding how normal people can do horrible things.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

It's comfortable to label them "crazies" right?

It's comfortable that those are psychopaths and not normal human beings capable for the worst as we all are.

I'm afraid that the exclamation and indignation serves no purpose in understanding how normal people can do horrible things.

I'm assuming that once a person does something like this, they are no longer 'normal', so yes, they are 'crazies'. And since every human being is capable of being a 'crazy'....

But for this to be news, it shows that very few actually follow through on these psycopathic tendencies.

As for indignation and the lot, I feel the same as I did about the VT shootings. Sad news, but carry on. The status quo is to say 'oh no!' and maybe 'my heart goes out to the families', then move on. If you're involved then it's terrible. If not, you write it off as another terrible thing people do.

[Manji]

It's comfortable to label them "crazies" right?

It's comfortable that those are psychopaths and not normal human beings capable for the worst as we all are.

I'm afraid that the exclamation and indignation serves no purpose in understanding how normal people can do horrible things.

I'm not sure we can even accurately understand why humans do what they do, for "good" and "bad".
It's obvious that killing other humans "because they wanted to" is more prone to shock others because there is no underlying reason, something we always search for in every human action.
When faced with such "no reason" we revert to the most basic label: not human or, in this case, not mentally stable.
I'm no psychologist/psychiatrist so I can't give a professional opinion but I think the absence of guilt in two adolescent girls speaks volumes about their mental instability, if anything else.

[Gelgoog]

so they practiced killing kittens before hand hmmm. where have i heard that before? is that like some sort of psycho initiation into crazy town murdering?
so much for BFFs

[SoggyFrog]

I'm afraid that the exclamation and indignation serves no purpose in understanding how normal people can do horrible things.

Who else here is thinking it could have been one of those murderers killed instead?