social homogeny

[Amorphos]

social homogeny

an anti political correctness thread.

it seams these days that we are being driven ever closer to sameness on many levels. for example; the English language acts as a major homogenizer, you will notice how people use rarer and more complex words to explain things. sometimes this is necessary to be clear and other times its a bit of an intellectual ego trip, but whatever the reason it forces people to learn the language more and in turn attain more of the culture esp. when we consider all the other aspects of anglicisation running concurrently.
there are many levels to societal homogeny, it seams that the system abhors difference. at my childrens school there is a ‘smelly kid’ and her parents are the same, yet they are wonderful people whilst some of the squeaky clean class of kids are awful in their behaviourisms. she is being forced to clean up for health and safety reasons, yet wasn’t there always the smelly kid? and over cleanliness can cause skin conditions etcetera.

perhaps these are not the best examples yet it appears that on every level we are being forced to be the same, politically there is not much difference between left and right in mainstream politics and we are being generally blended culturally, morally and ethically on every level that shows itself to be different!


so how do you see it, yay or nay to societal homogeny and perhaps even political correctness generally?

[Tom Paine]

Overcleanliness can, but so can being dirty. H&S does require you to be clean because hey, let's all be dirty and increase our exposure to a variety of fatal conditions... no, thanks.
The English language is hardly a homogeniser, its simply a worldwide language, and a nationwide language - within the UK, it should be a homogeniser; since it does have a word for almost everything, and since it is the language of the nation, all citizens of the nation should speak it.

Social homogeny is not occurring, its another false bugbear of the Right...

[Amorphos]

ozy
i disagree on every front.
'extreme' dirtiness can cause disease yes, but snobbery can too - when you have kids at school you will find that it is the parents whom think themselves above others are pften those who for example spread lice, they always think it is because of others and couldn’t possibly be them.
yes English should be spoken in England and it is good to have a universal language world-wide, nevertheless it is a homogenising force. i wouldn’t say that it should be stopped or discoraged, just that people should be aware of it’s effect and find ways to reinforce their differences and individuality.

social homogeny is occurring, when you think of it the continual attacks on islam are one such example of how the west expects everyone to be ‘democratic’ and generally like them.

[Tom Paine]

Um... its an attack not on Islam, not by governments at least, but on tyrannical governments which repress their people. Now, I don't know about you, but I'd say that wasn't a good form of government. If anything PC does the opposite of homogenise since it is intended to preserve different cultural and social identities.

[Amorphos]

in our opinion those ‘tyrannical’ governments oppress their people, but the peoples usually want those governments as like in Iran when the shah was deposed.
i agree that it is not to good for women, but not all Islamic nations are intolerant nor fundamentalist.

i would think that pc blends more than preserve cultural identity.

the examples in the opening post were just to get the idea rolling

[Tom Paine]

The shah was deposed because we set him up as a tyrant to replace their democracy. They deposed the shah, not us.

[Ummon]

Sidenote: paradoxically, an adequate amount of dirt protects you from autoimmune diseases...

[Amorphos]

there you go - its all about balance, as always.

behold the ma'at of homogeny

[LoZz]

social homogeny

an anti political correctness thread.

it seams these days that we are being driven ever closer to sameness on many levels. for example; the English language acts as a major homogenizer, you will notice how people use rarer and more complex words to explain things. sometimes this is necessary to be clear and other times its a bit of an intellectual ego trip, but whatever the reason it forces people to learn the language more and in turn attain more of the culture esp. when we consider all the other aspects of anglicisation running concurrently.
there are many levels to societal homogeny, it seams that the system abhors difference. at my childrens school there is a ‘smelly kid’ and her parents are the same, yet they are wonderful people whilst some of the squeaky clean class of kids are awful in their behaviourisms. she is being forced to clean up for health and safety reasons, yet wasn’t there always the smelly kid? and over cleanliness can cause skin conditions etcetera.

perhaps these are not the best examples yet it appears that on every level we are being forced to be the same, politically there is not much difference between left and right in mainstream politics and we are being generally blended culturally, morally and ethically on every level that shows itself to be different!


so how do you see it, yay or nay to societal homogeny and perhaps even political correctness generally?

i hate political correctness, but i dont ,mind social homogeny, at the very least id like everyone in my country to speak the same language, but no it seems thats to much to ask without being called a racist

[Amorphos]

loZz
i don’t think its too much to ask. what i was saying with the language issue was not about national languages - in fact it was saying a definine yes to each nations own language.

the whole point is individuality Vs similarity!

[Elohim]

There is a fine line between madness and genius. Similarly, there is a fine line between being inoffensive and being a pedantic, irritating middle-class person with not enough to do and no power to change any real ills in the world, so they've decided to pick up on language.
Now, I'm no racist. I have suffered under racist abuse for being half-foreign (Norfolk is a wonderful place -sarcasm). However, I feel it is ridiculous that in a pub-brawl situation, you can be tagged with "racially aggravated assault" if you yell "get it then you black/yellow/:wub: b@$t@rd!". It's just an adjective to describe your opponent. I have no beef with people describing me as French or a four-eyes when they're angry at me - it's factually accurate. Admittedly there are some words that are beyond the pale - but that's addressing symptoms, rather than the problem.
Similarly, despite not being so inclined, I ignore people calling me gay because I am a) 18, b) polite to girls c) not ruled entirely by my libido.
This is because I am bigger than that. Partly because I'm 6"2, but mostly because stating the obvious is often the last resort of the criminally incompetent. There's no point arguing with these people - it's like getting into a mud-slinging fight with a six-armed monkey - you'll lose, and you'll both look stupid.

Umm... I may have wandered off the track there, but... yeah...

Nice to get things off your chest once in a while.

As Avenue Q so brilliantly sang - "Everyone's a little bit racist - sometimes. Doesn't mean we go around committing - hate crimes."

To be fair, I am neither. But I feel sorry for those that are.

[Amorphos]

nice post elohim

i presume you are with the anti pc but balanced sector. i agree that certain terms are used merely as descriptions and not meant as directly insulting, the same terms can be used as insulting though - its all in the manner and the reception. in other words you could say anything an mean it in an insultive manner or not, equally so your words can be taken as insultive or not. its a case of being able to assess weather or not someone will take it as black or white, i suppose law presumes it is always meant as black.

[Elohim]

Indeed so. Erring on the side of caution is not always a good thing. Neither is slavish over attention to the "needs" of a particular ethnic or religious group.

It produces media frenzies like the Christmas fiasco here in Britain. It was the only time the Daily Mail agreed with the Muslim Council of Britain.

Basically, a load of middle-class local government execs with too many slippers & not enough to do aired the idea of banning Christmas because it was offensive to the Muslims.

The Daily Mail (right-wing paper for Uncle Sam's offspring) went mental, and Muslims spent the next three weeks (this was in October/November) convincing local councils that they didn't honestly care what religious practices other people indulged in, so long as it didn't involve burning crosses or other people's houses.

On a lighter note, police in Birmingham (still England) last year chased a terrorist subject to a local mosque, and were forced by a local public relations officer to - wait for it -
Remove their boots before smashing in the door -
Because it's a symbol of disrespect to wear shoes inside a mosque.

Seriously...
wtf?
As if smashing the door in isn't already annoying enough...

[Amorphos]

yes that’s the problem - the authorities trying to shape the minds of the people, whereas we don’t give a damn what they think. secondly most minority groups also don’t agree with this stance [as like in your example].

the police should be exempt from customs and rituals, they could be putting their lives at risk.
come to think of it, we should all be exempt from other peoples customs and rituals - although that could be used so that we cannot have our own, i mean Christmas could be interpreted as a custom imposed upon us. you see how easy it is to use supposed freedoms to chastise us!