Units w/out Generals

[monkey knife fight]

My question is, if I train some units and send them off to battles without a commander, will they defect and I be left with no army? Because I know that If I have a general and I use him too much he can rebel and take the army...

[Brucha]

A general in command of an army that is used alot will eventually rebel? I did not know this. Will this happen no matter what? Can you do anything to prevent this?

[lesterthenerd]

A general in command of an army that is used alot will eventually rebel? I did not know this. Will this happen no matter what? Can you do anything to prevent this?

Yeah just dont use a general with very low loyalty for ur next battle and leave him in a city. After a while he should regain his loyalty.

I personally do not undertand why a general would become rebel cause of winning so many battles for his country.... You would think something like that would increase his loyalty.... Any1 care to explain why this is?

[Konig]

Keep in them in a city with ALL buildings built is supposed to increase their loyalty over time. Or was it with imperial palace only...?

[Konig]

I know there are probably hundreds of generals, but Ceasar comes to mind. His victories in Gaul made him insanely popular and powerful, so he declared war on the senate and made himself dictator. There are also a bunch of roman generals that did the same after Comodus.

[maxamus1975]

Pompey and the Senate accused Caesar of insubordination and treason. They left Caesar no choice but to declare war on Rome.

[lt1956]

Correct, The more victories the more it feeds their greed, causing disloyalty, except for the Heir and Leader, But then if you think you can switch Heirs and try to increase loyalty it wont work as whoever WAS th Heir now has less loyalty than before. ;-)

It makes perfect sense if you know Roman History.

P.S. Caesar had Plans all along of becoming a King, thats why they Killed Him in the senate later. Also Pompey made a mistake and should have killed caesar along time ago, the man was out of control, reminds you of whats going on here in the US. lol

[Raze664]

My Heir was the one who revolted against me.

[lt1956]

They cant they are immune to the effect of disloyalty, unless you made him not your heir anymore? You must have made a mistake and thought it was your heir. Unless, did he have a corrupt Trait and other BAD traits? thats the only way that could happen and its VERY rare!

[monkey knife fight]

Nobody answered my question though are units withouth a leader capable of rebelling/disband? I don't want that to happen

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

no.

[lt1956]

But your will have SERIOUS issues fighting without Generals and will LOSE many battles, Generals make all the difference in SPQR, that is why Non general AI armies are easier to beat than General Armies. You have to weight the results, risk rebellion or Risk losing every other battle or more?

Simple task is to CHOOSE your generals carefully, make sure they have loyalty and make sure they arent fighting 20-30 battles. generals should retire after so many battles after all look at the touble rome had when generals didnt retire? They went for the Crown!

Lt

[monkey knife fight]

ugh that means i have to romp around the map exchanging generals frequently... which im kind of doing now!!!




THANK you by the way

[Garnier]

I usually retire my generals by age 55, installing them as governors until they die. Though once I lost a legion because I had a 62 year old general in charge of it, and he died.. The legion was then surrounded and demolished by germans.

[miki]

Hi gents

Sometimes Roman Generals defecting and going scipii is a good thing. Thats the case with recently conquered provinces adjacent to Germany when you only have republican legions at hand. They act as a sort of foreign - but not so much - limes...

BTW my RTW CD is broken since last thursday actually (thats how things come when you share your pc with childs, damn). Tomorrow I'll have a brand new RTW Gold Edition at home and will be able to reinstall SPQR 6.3 again (Thanks Lord).

This past days without SPQR had been a barbarian nighmare

[Garnier]

Hi gents

Sometimes Roman Generals defecting and going scipii is a good thing. Thats the case with recently conquered provinces adjacent to Germany when you only have republican legions at hand. They act as a sort of foreign - but not so much - limes...

Yeah I do this sometimes. Especially against germany and macedon. I take a border settlement and either gift it to roman rebels or let it rebel. Then when I retake it, it has a lot of roman buildings too... hehe

[lt1956]

Against house rules to give City to the enemy as a buffer. lol

[Garnier]

Against house rules to give City to the enemy as a buffer. lol

It is? I never saw that rule. Though I suppose when I start playing again this means I'll be retaking those settlements..

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

lol unlucky! i have never had to retake a city of rome rebels and their garrison script would be mean.....

i have had to bribe a pre marian legion once in 229BC cost me 28000 denarii

lol

[Garnier]

28,000 thats all? That isnt so bad. I spent 100,000 to get rid of a german stack that would take one of my cities and ruin my best laid plans. But then I had the money to blow and was getting corruption anyway so it wasnt a big problem.