Clothes,de rigueur?

[Banned]

Man takes birth without clothes,dies and goes to Dis without clothes.Then,where does the need for clothes lie?From the prehistoric era,we can quote instances of our ancestors remaining unclothed,the only sort of clothing that developed being the adorable greenery.Why does our society lack this idea today?

The main aim of this thread-To reason out,why we have become so much concerned towards hiding our genitals,what gave rise to such a fretfulness where we consider the exposing of genitals as sin and above all,why man chose this?It's impeccably correct that it's a way to keep our bodies clean and such an approach differentiates us from scatterbrained animals.But apart from this,why is there a sign of culpability or guilt when it comes to the exposé of our irreplaceable gift from God?Isn't our body priceless?If it is,why not let others value our natural beauty?Our genitalia are incredibly important to us.The reason for this doesn't require a mention.Why are we so much perturbed towards veiling what we have always appreciated with ourselves?If we can show our glowing face to this world,why not them?Why is there an odor of shame associated with it?Aren't we proud of our lovely bodies?If we are,what had caused the initiation of a blinkered attitude that man built up alas?Because our genitals are associated with urination isn't an adequate reason in my opinion.Urination is a natural and most importantly,a biological process associated with our lives.Ever cared to wonder,what would happen if you could store all the dirt inside your body?Surely,the thought itself is appalling.If we accept that urination is undoubtedly a significant facet of our existence,then why isn't the exposure of what enables us to urinate and lighten our stomach?The same is the case with evacuation,which is again an unapologetic hominoid notion.There's no sagacious action unaccompanied by a reason to act,and I don't see a reason to why the human beings acted in such a manner.So,what are your views?

[LoZz]

well, i personaly dont want to see another man's wedding tackles flapping about in my face, and i also dont want the whole world to see mine. and in the winter i enjoy keeping it warming so i will keep wearing clothes thank you!

[Banned]

well, i personaly dont want to see another man's wedding tackles flapping about in my face, and i also dont want the whole world to see mine. and in the winter i enjoy keeping it warming so i will keep wearing clothes thank you!

Think intelligentsia,tickle your brains!It's not a matter of personal choices.Even I would prefer to remain clothed throughout my life.The whole thing is that the purpose of this thread is to build inquisitions deep within and question oneself on why we have adopted such an attitude with the lapse of time.

And it's understood that clothes are of a great importance,but the argument is that the title itself speaks of something else in a digression.

[LoZz]

Think intelligentsia,tickle your brains!It's not a matter of personal choices.Even I would prefer to remain clothed throughout my life.The whole thing is that the purpose of this thread is to build inquisitions deep within and question oneself on why we have adopted such an attitude with the lapse of time.

And it's understood that clothes are of a great importance,but the argument is that the title itself speaks of something else in a digression.

even in early days, man wore some form of clothing, erm the main reason like people have said was keep ourselves warm, and in the winter that is criticual.

erm, modern society for the last 400 years has treated the body's sexual organs as something of a taboo and as such it is not considered polite to show them to everyone and because we are told that we should be ashmed to show them, we are.

[Banned]

even in early days, man wore some form of clothing, erm the main reason like people have said was keep ourselves warm, and in the winter that is criticual.

erm, modern society for the last 400 years has treated the body's sexual organs as something of a taboo and as such it is not considered polite to show them to everyone and because we are told that we should be ashmed to show them, we are.

Well,that's the point.Clothing as a modus for protecting oneself from physical conditions is acceptable but the real talk is about the taboo as you have mentioned in your post.What has caused the building up of such a taboo?Why should man be ashamed of exposing his genitals,knowing that clothing is a superficial exhibition to cajole his parochialism?

[LoZz]

Well,that's the point.Clothing as a modus for protecting oneself from physical conditions is acceptable but the real talk is about the taboo as you have mentioned in your post.What has caused the building up of such a taboo?Why should man be ashamed of exposing his genitals,knowing that clothing is a superficial exhibition to cajole his parochialism?

i personaly thing our own modest plays a part.

as young children most kids have no shame and will quite happy walk around thier home naked (or atlest with people they trust), when pubity takes hold we devlop modesty and become ashamed of our bodies because it is changeing. i dont know why society tells us its wrong, or even how! but i think it is how we are bought up more then anything, as from a young age we are told by our parents to get dressed before going out, or before guest come over, and that can come across as meaning you should wear clothes infront of others

[rez]

Clothes are about a little more than shame.

Warm being number 1 on the list.

Protection from the elements and anything else that might cause harm to your body is going to have to be number 2.

Personally i love being naked, but i like being warm a lot more.

[Irishman]

There are very few climates in the world in which one can exist naked. The genital areas are especially vunerable to desease and heat/cold. It is well understood that these areas must be covered in the early times in order to keep reproducing.

The need for clothes turned into a norm for obvious reason (it originaly wasn't a pride thing but a cultural and biological necessity.

As with anything which has become very standard, when the standard is broken people feel uncomfortable. It is almost an evolutionary feeling caused by the need for the protection clothes offer.

This is being turned around with nudes and nude beaches and what not but people will always be afraid of what is different.

[William the Bastard]

Without clothes cooking with oil spitting is not very pleasant I'll tell you that!!!

[Banned]

This is being turned around with nudes and nude beaches and what not but people will always be afraid of what is different.

But people weren't such in even ancient times,the Grecian,the Roman,etc.Why is it that since only a few centuries ago,it has become a sort of forbidden to expose genitals?Talking of medieval times,at the time of Leonardo da Vinci,live models were used to draw paintings depicting female beauty.Why isn't it the case today?And it's not the reality that people will always be afraid of adopting different ideas,the reality is that people have always been following certain trends which are deemed to be universally appropriate as far as the need of generation is concerned.But what course in history made us shift our view?

[Irishman]

Talking of medieval times,at the time of Leonardo da Vinci,live models were used to draw paintings depicting female beauty.

They still are, take an art class and you will see plenty of nudes.

And it's not the reality that people will always be afraid of adopting different ideas,the reality is that people have always been following certain trends which are deemed to be universally appropriate as far as the need of generation is concerned.

There was no shift. In Roman times, and especially in Medieval times, one simply did not walk around naked in the streets (certain areas of Greece were an exception). This would have been seen as wrong and odd.

People are always afraid of what is different. You will notice that no one has a problem with nudes in public showers, or nude beaches. It is all what is the norm for the society, which was shaped by the necessity of clothes.

[Banned]

People are always afraid of what is different. You will notice that no one has a problem with nudes in public showers, or nude beaches. It is all what is the norm for the society, which was shaped by the necessity of clothes.

The necessity of clothes has always been ubiquitous in our world,as a measure to fight against the somatic conditions.But as compared to the present world,in Roman times,there was no insignia of guilt or shame as today.People would never
yell or laugh at the public display of a naked body.

[Sadreddine]

That is a concrete trait of Greek culture (later adopted, in a lesser extent, by Romans), and was restricted to certain areas/events/contexts and was never universal. Do you think greek women were allowed to go shopping in complete nakedness?

Besides, do not consider greek culture to be Universal, that is a typical flaw in "western" reasoning.

For humanity in general, being nude in front of others, unless in very concrete circumstances, has always been, is, and will be, considered of a very bad taste. Simply because if displayed by everyone everywhere, it is just so animalistic. Avoiding constant, and clearly visible, sexual desire has a lot to do with that too. Society would crumble and would return to a primitive structure.

And this, avoiding to mention the obvious practical advantages of using clothing that have been already mentioned.

[Irishman]

The necessity of clothes has always been ubiquitous in our world,as a measure to fight against the somatic conditions.But as compared to the present world,in Roman times,there was no insignia of guilt or shame as today.People would never
yell or laugh at the public display of a naked body.

That is a bold statement. Do you have a source, or is this just a stereotypes from the tales of Roman orgies. Even slaves (for the most part- not those who were for sex) were given small ammounts of clothing.

Remember these things develop over time also. Clothes became even more important in the semi-ice age which was the dark ages. When something is done for generations, it becomes odd not to follow it.

My theory is supported by the lack of nudity in many other cultures (some more hospitable climates had topless or fully nude women, but these were not common). Civilized nations all over the world from china to Mexico were always dressed. This has simply advanced from the need for clothes, which eventualy evolved into a taboo of nudity in public places.

[Banned]

Well,of course there was no shame regarding nudity in Roman times.Although,I admit that I don't have a strong proof at present to support my view but believe me,that's what I have learned from my people.I am a Roman,by the way.

[rez]

But people weren't such in even ancient times,the Grecian,the Roman,etc.Why is it that since only a few centuries ago,it has become a sort of forbidden to expose genitals?Talking of medieval times,at the time of Leonardo da Vinci,live models were used to draw paintings depicting female beauty.Why isn't it the case today?And it's not the reality that people will always be afraid of adopting different ideas,the reality is that people have always been following certain trends which are deemed to be universally appropriate as far as the need of generation is concerned.But what course in history made us shift our view?

I think i understand now. You're not simply asking why we don't walk around naked. You're asking why we are now ashamed of our gentiallia and are far less likely to expose ourselves in modern times.

Nudity was a far more accepted occurence in the ancient world because there was no specific religious taboo concerning sex. In fact the cults of Aphrodite to Anahita positively encourage the idealisation of sex.

The advent of "Monotheistic morality" Has a fair amount to answer for. But this is speaking more towards western nations. Islam also played a large role in the demonisation of sexuality. Simply looking at Egypt before and after Islam should show anyone the influence it had.

I am a Roman,by the way.

An Italian living in Rome? Sorry couldn't resist.

[Count of Montesano]

Ok - perhaps the Roman experts will enlighten me - but I thought the Romans had competing notions of sexual tradition and liberation. We all know about Caligula's excesses, but wasn't there also an ideal of family devotion and sexual modesty, in that it was seen as moral weakness to be promiscuous or to accept homosexual affairs like the Greeks did? Certainly Greco-Roman culture had no problem showing nude pictures and statues, but people entertaining guests at the villa nude or streaking the forum was likely frowned upon.

My guess about why clothing is seen as necessary actually comes from early civilization, where the more clothing you wore the higher rank/caste you were. Of course early man in northern climes would have worn skins, but in tropical climes hunter-gatherers still go around mostly naked. Then the agricultural revolution happens and people begin needing ways to set themselves apart from lower social classes. Think about it, the Egyptian laborer probably wore little more than a loin cloth while the Pharaoh wore fine cloth and leopard skin accessories. Nakedness became more a sign of poverty in such situations. As civilization expanded and clashed with barbarian cultures, the distinction became even more pronounced. The roman legionnaires were "superior" humans to the barbarians because they wore armor and uniforms while the German or Celtic hordes went into fights nearly nude.

As for nakedness being a taboo in art and culture, you can blame the Victorians for that. Certainly Europe in the Age of Enlightenment was a bawdy time, but the fall of Napoleon and the rise of Queen Victoria led to a crackdown on "indecency." It also didn't help that major medical breakthroughs were being made in this sexually repressive time, so suddenly sexual modesty (to the point of seeing sex as only a necessary function for children) became synonymous with healthy living.

[Amorphos]

‘the truth is naked’ - extrapolated form pythagorean philosophy.
but its bloody cold!

seriously though, if everyone were babes i wouldn’t mind people going around naked and i can understand the ethic of wanting to be naked. the problem is that most people are bloody ugly - genitals especially.

secondly, i don’t think we want to be reminded of our beasty nature and of sex all the time. wearing clothes actually gives us more freedom not less.

[the_mango55]

#1 reason I will never be a nudist: No pockets.

Seriously, besides providing warmth, pockets are the greatest clothing function. Imagine where we would be as a species if we had to carry everything around in our hands all the time.

[Lord Bohemond]

It's a social necessity. Without it you've got all of the men thinking with their dicks, which is not a good thing.

Not to mention women become little more than sex objects. The less attractive gals have no way to compete with their more glamorous companions. Modest clothing neutralizes some of the advantage.