The Virginia Tech Shootings

[William the Bastard]

33 dead (including the gunman) At Virginia Tech.
Cho Seung-Hui a 23 year old South Korean was the gunman.

[Ahiga]

It's rather surprising since it's very close to home (Virginia Tech), and I once considered going there.

[jankren]

Man, it seems there is something wrong with American society which produces murderous depressed kids like that. Moreover, it is also another reason why USA should ban the goddamn gun rights.

[Aristophanes]

Man, it seems there is something wrong with American society which produces murderous depressed kids like that. Moreover, it is also another reason why USA should ban the goddamn gun rights.

This is a joke right? I guess that makes two societies that I can name which produce murderous, depressed kids. Do we only want to admit something's wrong with one of them? How 'bout banning semtex and fertilizer?

[jankren]

This is a joke right? I guess that makes two societies that I can name which produce murderous, depressed kids. Do we only want to admit something's wrong with one of them? How 'bout banning semtex and fertilizer?

I never said the other society does not produce such kids too. And Im sure you are talking about Middle Eastern society. However in my country Indonesia I never heard of such a thing as depressed school kids going rampage with guns at school killing their schoolmates.

Edit: I agree 100% with Lozz

[Aristophanes]

I never said the other society does not produce such kids too. And Im sure you are talking about Middle Eastern society. However in my country Indonesia I never heard of such a thing as depressed school kids going rampage with guns at school killing their schoolmates.

Edit: I agree 100% with Lozz

Though joining a frenzied mob out to burn down the local christian church or behead christian school girls would certainly never be out of the question.

[jankren]

Though joining a frenzied mob out to burn down the local christian church or behead christian school girls would certainly never be out of the question.

??? What are you talking about man? I thought this thread is about SCHOOL KIDS shooting their own school mates at SCHOOL. Does every discussion has to involve religions to you? Moreover those girls beheaded in Indonesia were not done by KIDS. It was a terrible tragedy though which happened in the region where Christians killed Muslims and Muslims killed Christians and Christians burned down mosques and Muslims burned down churches ...

No but Im sure your country has its own set of problems with youths that show itself in a different way. There is nothing "wrong" with American society there is just like in every society something wrong with some people. History is full of whackos its not like they just sprung up with establishment of American society.

Oh yes, there is indeed also something wrong in Indonesia society involving school kids such as mob fighting between students from one school with the others from different schools. But I admit it there is something wrong in Indonesian society. So I think there is nothing wrong to say that there is something wrong with American society which produces those kids shooters.

[danzig]

I never said the other society does not produce such kids too. And Im sure you are talking about Middle Eastern society. However in my country Indonesia I never heard of such a thing as depressed school kids going rampage with guns at school killing their schoolmates.

No but Im sure your country has its own set of problems with youths that show itself in a different way. There is nothing "wrong" with American society there is just like in every society something wrong with some people. History is full of whackos its not like they just sprung up with establishment of American society.

Snippet from Journal of Social Issues in South East Asia 2003 unfortunately the rest requires a subscription

Vertical violence and human rights violations in Indonesia continue, especially in the troubled provinces of Aceh and Papua. More alarming, however, is the increase in horizontal violence, theft, and destruction of common property, and ordinary people are being threatened, tortured, and even executed by their peers. It is probable that several hundred people nation-wide are killed every year in incidents of street vigilantism, where angry mobs take the law into their own hands. (1) Much of the horizontal violence observed over the last few years is related to problems of economic crisis and unemployment, combined with the weakening of central state institutions, including the police.

Concurrent with these economic trends in Indonesia are long traditions of youth gangs and organized criminality in Indonesia. Racketeering and forced protection seem to be a growing business. Groups and gangs of unemployed youth have become bolder, making security a highly valued commodity. The demand for security services has increased dramatically and entrepreneurs are seen flocking into the violence business. Entry barriers into this line of business are low, and personal satisfaction seems to be high for the idle young who are undaunted, as it not only provides them with a source of income, but also strengthens their self-identity and confidence. Members of the national and local political elites may also gain from youth mobilization and unrest, and this might have contributed to the escalation of the violence seen.

Given such a background and trend, this paper takes a closer look at violent youth groups in two of Indonesia's provinces, Yogyakarta and Nusa Tenggara Barat (NTB). Within these areas, the phenomenon of youth gangs and the violence business is especially evident in the city of Yogyakarta and on the island of Lombok. Both provinces have been hard hit by the reduced inflow of foreign tourists since 1998. In Yogyakarta, a number of groups affiliated to political parties fight each other and against the police. In Lombok, security groups called Pam Swakarsa also fight each other and against criminality. Dominating groups in both provinces are related to Muslim leaders and organizations, and they use religious teachings to legitimize their actions.

Bottom line every society has its issues so one should look in one's own backyard before condemning another.

[LoZz]

Man, it seems there is something wrong with American society which produces murderous depressed kids like that. Moreover, it is also another reason why USA should ban the goddamn gun rights.

every s western society has troubled kids, and we have kids shooting each other in london in the uk all the time, and their is no gun rights here, banning fire arms does not mean it will not happen, it happens in the uk afterall. though that said they dont happen as oftern or on such a large scale and guns deffently help.

their is no one cause for these things that can stop this from happening, their are many little ones that add up.

lack of fathers/male role models for teenaged boys, ignor all the feminist crap, fathers are important in bringing up level headed individuals (though not 100% nessicery)

having guns isnt so much the trouble, its the culture and attitude towards them thats a problem, treating them like something good and as something to sort your problems out with.

drugs proberly plays its part sometimes

as does family/domestic abuse, like i said a male role model is important, but no male role model is better then a bad one, if a kids being knocked about alot at home, it can drive them to vent anger like this.


people like to blame films/games/music, but kids only listain to them if they have no adults/parents to listain to them. its not the media that makes kids flip, we have had violence in our society since the dawn of time, but i dont think at any other time in recent history has family been so undermind or undervalued. and i dont think at anyother time have kids been so alienated with no one to look up to or talk to.

we dont value the mental heatlh of our children enough and we dont think about whats best for them, only whats best for ourselves.

[Captain Kirk]

lack of fathers/male role models for teenaged boys, ignor all the feminist crap, fathers are important in bringing up level headed individuals (though not 100% nessicery)[/B]

having guns isnt so much the trouble, its the culture and attitude towards them thats a problem, treating them like something good and as something to sort your problems out with.

I would say that in single parent homes, although Fathers are important, Fathers on their own seem to bring up more 'gunmen' (for want of a better word)

Amen to that brother

[LoZz]

I would say that in single parent homes, although Fathers are important, Fathers on their own seem to bring up more 'gunmen' (for want of a better word)

Amen to that brother

any proof to this clame?


as i stated, no male role model is better then a bad one.

[Kanaric]

I'm waiting for them to start blaming this on video games again... maybe he played Doom as a little kid and shot people up in CS right before he did this.

Then they will lock down schools like fortresses and turn them into prisons like they did when I was in high school after columbine. Bring in armed guards, persecute people who "appear" to be like the shooter.

I wonder how they are going to over react to this one.

School shootings are rare, my dad said that he heard about shootings like this in the 60s when he was in high school however they weren't as sensationalized as modern shootings are. This is something that has always happened yet in the modern day where you must protect everyone from everything they have probably the worst reaction. This is something that there is no way to prevent, and they will blame it on something else always. Games, satanists, dnd, ozzy, they will find something. I'm just waiting to see what it is this time.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Man, it seems there is something wrong with American society which produces murderous depressed kids like that. Moreover, it is also another reason why USA should ban the goddamn gun rights.

The wrong thing about the American society is not these incidents, but the inability of the American themselves to see their own fault at their own backyard.

Probably somone needs to tell the CIA or NSA to point their satelites more towards the American cities rather than other people's country....

[William the Bastard]

Probably somone needs to tell the CIA or NSA to point their satelites more towards the American cities rather than other people's country....

Perhaps now is not the time and the place for that kind of talk. Perhaps Later!

[AngryTitusPullo]

Perhaps now is not the time and the place for that kind of talk. Perhaps Later!

I have been an USA Basher on this very forum about certain things they do but you are really low to take a pot shot when this is happening...at the very least the moderators should be banning you...how the hell can you put a laughing smillie at the start of your comments...absolutely sick...

Well... When else are American are going to feel the pain like others do. There's a report button somewhere. Feel free to use it.

You, sir, are a jerk. I hope I, nor anybody else, ever have to run into the likes of you again. This is a serious situation that should not be treated with such disrespectful behavior.

Are freedom of speech only applied to non-muslims and non-Europeans/non-Americans ?

p/s: condolonces to all the families of the victims. May other families never have to endure these kinds of incidents again, in anywhere in the world.

[Lionel-Richie]

Are freedom of speech only applied to non-muslims and non-Europeans/non-Americans ?

It's not a matter of free speech, it's a matter of being humane.

[William Walace]

The wrong thing about the American society is not these incidents, but the inability of the American themselves to see their own fault at their own backyard.

Probably somone needs to tell the CIA or NSA to point their satelites more towards the American cities rather than other people's country....

I have been an USA Basher on this very forum about certain things they do but you are really low to take a pot shot when this is happening...at the very least the moderators should be banning you...how the hell can you put a laughing smillie at the start of your comments...absolutely sick...

[Lionel-Richie]

The wrong thing about the American society is not these incidents, but the inability of the American themselves to see their own fault at their own backyard.

Probably somone needs to tell the CIA or NSA to point their satelites more towards the American cities rather than other people's country....

Perhaps you can enlighten me and point out what fault it is of American society that causes random people to be mentally unstable?

I mean I thought that was a universal thing, but apparently not...

[LLXerxes]

The wrong thing about the American society is not these incidents, but the inability of the American themselves to see their own fault at their own backyard.

Probably somone needs to tell the CIA or NSA to point their satelites more towards the American cities rather than other people's country....

You are a sick sick person if you think you can joke and blindly insult a whole country for the act of one person, especially in circumstances like this.

[Flame Removed] This is a serious situation that should not be treated with such disrespectful behavior.

29 and counting. If anyone has a clearer number please post it.

I've heard 28 wounded but only 22 dead. The highest number I've seen is 25 but that's uncomfirmed.

Edited to remove flame. ~ Lord Gruffles

[William the Bastard]

BBC 24 has some film where you can hear a shedload of gunfire. Sounds like a massive fire fight. Would I be right is saying that there tends to be 3 times as many casualties than injuries in this sort of thing?