(Moved to Vote)Multiple Accounts and Voting Behavior

[Gaius Baltar]

Proposal: Gaius Baltar
Support: the Black Prince, Manstein16, Publius, Setarcos Aneist, Ragabash, deRougemont, Cymera, L.C. Cinna, Raven Darkwing

I propose to amend the consitution so that any one individual may hold only ONE account with voting rights within the CURIA. By default, any additional accounts could not be of status any higher than Berni.

New language in blue

Section 3 - Member Ranks and Parliamentum Officers

All member of the Forums can be divided into the following Ranks. Each Rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges unavailable to other Ranks unless explicitly stated. An individual may hold only one account of the rank Burgensis or higher.

v1. original (4/14)
v1.1 minor editing, added supporters
v2 reconciled wording with Ragabashs suggestions. Finalized format.

[the Black Prince]

well, i don't think you need to say ONE (1).... just "one" will do

support

[Erich von Manstein]

I also support. Might as well nip this problem in the bud.

[Publius]

Agreed with tBP, and support.

[Silver Guard]

We have that problem? Who who?
Support, but surely multiply accounts are banned?

[Erich von Manstein]

but surely multiply accounts are banned?

Only if they're used to circumvent a suspension.

[Garbarsardar]

Only if they're used to circumvent a suspension.

Also when they are used for "malicious purposes". There are more than one precedents where multiples were terminated on those grounds.

Since using a multiple to vote would constitute malicious grounds we are pretty much covered, staff-wise.

For purposes of Curial action against members however, this bill can be useful.

[Aristophanes]

How are we going to be able to detect multiple votes when we have a couple hundred people voting in the curia? For example, a person could go from computer lab to computer lab at my school and dodge the IP protections, or they could go from the computer lab to their home, or from the school computer labs to public library computers. This will be ridiculously easy to circumvent if any person has a mind to.

[Shaun]

How are we going to be able to detect multiple votes when we have a couple hundred people voting in the curia? For example, a person could go from computer lab to computer lab at my school and dodge the IP protections, or they could go from the computer lab to their home, or from the school computer labs to public library computers. This will be ridiculously easy to circumvent if any person has a mind to.

Or, they could even just use a proxy! But, with so many people voting, will the one or two duplicate account votes even matter? I highly doubt everyone will create a new account, as it is with around 40 votes, 1 vote barely sways it, with 300, what would 10 extra votes do?

[Hotspur]

How are we going to be able to detect multiple votes when we have a couple hundred people voting in the curia? For example, a person could go from computer lab to computer lab at my school and dodge the IP protections, or they could go from the computer lab to their home, or from the school computer labs to public library computers. This will be ridiculously easy to circumvent if any person has a mind to.

True enough, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix/prevent what we can.

A couple of hundred people voting in the Curia? I had no idea you were such an optimist!

[Fabolous]

How are we going to be able to detect multiple votes when we have a couple hundred people voting in the curia? For example, a person could go from computer lab to computer lab at my school and dodge the IP protections, or they could go from the computer lab to their home, or from the school computer labs to public library computers. This will be ridiculously easy to circumvent if any person has a mind to.

Anything will be. There is no way to prevent blatent disregard for the rules of a forum if someone doesn't wish to obey them. Hence why ferrets is never truely banned and is always using a duplicate when banned. Does that mean you should just throw in the towel and let everyone have all the votes they want? I don't think so myself. So I support this amendment.

I like Raga's more than GB's, but that is of no consequence.

[Ragabash]

I support the bill, here is my version with small changes but witht the same purpose in the end.

Section 3 - Member Ranks and Parliamentum Officers

All member of the Forums can be divided into the following Ranks. Each Rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges unavailable to other Ranks unless explicitly stated. An individual is allowed to hold only one account that is granted with the rights of Citizen.

There are two broad categories of Ranks, Normal Ranks and Honorary Ranks. A member, in addition to his normal Rank, may also hold any number of honorary Ranks, as well as an Officer's position. In this case he may choose which Rank he is displayed under. Regardless of the Rank listed next to his name, he retains all the rights and privileges associated with all his ranks.

[Publius]

No, you are presently allowed to have multiple accounts. They are only punishable when made to circumvent a suspension/ban.

And they would still be allowed, this simply stops the same person from holding two user accounts granted suffrage inside the Curia.

@Rag - I prefer Gaius' version simply because there is some talk about opening up the Curia to the rest of the site. Should that happen, your amendment would become obsolete.

[Lusted]

People are allowed multiple accounts. Duplicate accounts are only banned if the main account is suspended.

[the Black Prince]

Could be entirely possible though, for a member to create enough worthy accounts for him to write and support a bill all by his onsey...

or simply have multiple votes as GB suggests.

[deRougemont]

Support.

Wasn't aware of this problem.

[Ragabash]

Publius.

True, my version needs a change if the curia is opened for all members but so does Gaius Baltar's version or we need start to ban members secondary accounts in a huge scale.

[Publius]

True, my version needs a change if the curia is opened for all members but so does Gaius Baltar's version or we need start to ban members secondary accounts in a huge scale.

That is very true... I hadn't thought of that.

[Cymera]

Also unaware of the problem. This has my full support.

[Ragabash]

This proposal leads to another question we have to face if we open the curia for Plebians; what can we do about the multiple votes from the same person. :hmmm: