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    You know how things have reset buttons for those tough moments as a last resort...

    Well what if our ecosystem and our ENTIRE universe has a reset button for when things get so out of control.

    Look at Global Warming. Global Warming will cause the next ice age, the polar ice caps will melt, creating new currents in the ocean making a new ice age for the world. It will most likely reduce the population size from 6 Billion to a certain level and will go into 'safemode' until things get better.

    Now look at it on a universal level. I'll level with atheists and look at their point of view.. the big bang. If a tiny dot exploded into the universe. Scientists say the universe will have an implosion. Thus creating another dot... That dot is so power packed it cannot do anything but expand again... into another universe.


    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnick777 View Post
    Now look at it on a universal level. I'll level with atheists and look at their point of view.. the big bang. If a tiny dot exploded into the universe. Scientists say the universe will have an implosion. Thus creating another dot... That dot is so power packed it cannot do anything but expand again... into another universe.


    What do you think?
    The concept you are talking about is the Big Crunch. It was a valid theory when we thought the universe was expanding at a slower rate (and would eventually bounce back upon itself). Now that we know the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, that theory's been discarded.

    That is not to say there isn't another way in which the universe could "reset", as you put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendylyn View Post
    The concept you are talking about is the Big Crunch. It was a valid theory when we thought the universe was expanding at a slower rate (and would eventually bounce back upon itself). Now that we know the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, that theory's been discarded.
    Not necessarily discarded. Just put on hold, really. The universe is expanding at a fast rate now, but that doesn't mean that it won't eventually slow down, and crunch backwards.
    For all we know, the universe we are experiencing could just one iteration of an endless cycle of universes that have come and gone, via Big Bangs and Big Crunches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Not necessarily discarded. Just put on hold, really. The universe is expanding at a fast rate now, but that doesn't mean that it won't eventually slow down, and crunch backwards.
    For all we know, the universe we are experiencing could just one iteration of an endless cycle of universes that have come and gone, via Big Bangs and Big Crunches.
    Erm, no. We've past the point of no return. The universe has expanded to a point where there simply isn't enough ordinary matter to pull it back, plus something (dark energy) as an anti-gravitational effect that is accelerating the universe beyond projected speeds calculated from units currently understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeur_de_Lion View Post
    Erm, no. We've past the point of no return. The universe has expanded to a point where there simply isn't enough ordinary matter to pull it back, plus something (dark energy) as an anti-gravitational effect that is accelerating the universe beyond projected speeds calculated from units currently understood.
    But current cosmological theory is quite incomplete. We don't know what dark matter or dark energy are, most obviously. Until we do, it's hard to say for sure what exactly will have trillions of years from now.
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    The universe has been expanding at an increasing rate for 16 billion years. There is no reason to assume anything will change if it hasn't changed in that amount of time.

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    I always liked the idea of "saving" and "reloading"....

    "oops, bank robbery didn't work." RELOAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnick777 View Post
    You know how things have reset buttons for those tough moments as a last resort...
    I think,yes.

    Well what if our ecosystem and our ENTIRE universe has a reset button for when things get so out of control.
    Practically impossible,but there's nothing wrong in fantasizing a world that suits your fancy.

    Look at Global Warming. Global Warming will cause the next ice age, the polar ice caps will melt, creating new currents in the ocean making a new ice age for the world. It will most likely reduce the population size from 6 Billion to a certain level and will go into 'safemode' until things get better.
    Yes,especially for the UK and western Europe,this could be a possibility.The problem lies with the ocean current known as the Gulf Stream, which bathes the UK and north-west Europe in warm water carried northwards from the Caribbean.The point of concern is that the Gulf Stream has been weakening due to global warming.Due to the melting of Arctic ice,the huge volumes of fresh water could be puring into the North Atlantic in a century or two.In return for the warm,saline surface waters of the gulf stream pushing northwards,there must be a deep current of cold and dense water from the Nordic Seas.The disruption of the Atlantic currents could have far reaching peculiar implications,causing dramatic climatic changes to the whole of planet.

    Now look at it on a universal level. I'll level with atheists and look at their point of view.. the big bang. If a tiny dot exploded into the universe. Scientists say the universe will have an implosion. Thus creating another dot... That dot is so power packed it cannot do anything but expand again... into another universe.
    What have atheists got to do with big bang specifically?:hmmm:
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    What have atheists got to do with big bang specifically?
    They're godless sons of dogs so they must believe this drivel about the Big Bang.
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    Super massive black holes?

    Edit; No. I searched for this question and...
    Heck, no. A black hole has a "horizon," which means a region from which you can't escape. If you cross the horizon, you're doomed to eventually hit the singularity. But as long as you stay outside of the horizon, you can avoid getting sucked in. In fact, to someone well outside of the horizon, the gravitational field surrounding a black hole is no different from the field surrounding any other object of the same mass. In other words, a one-solar-mass black hole is no better than any other one-solar-mass object (such as, for example, the Sun) at "sucking in" distant objects.
    Source: http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/BHfaq.html#q5

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    There has also been variation in the speed during that time, and in some cases (something to do with black holes because I heard Hawking say something about it) has decreased or collapsed in local events. And with an infinity in front of us, billions of years isn't that long of a time.
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    4) The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.
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    We can't actually necessarily say that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate with certainty. What we can say is that we've measured considerable red shift in stars that are further away. This indicates that they are moving away from us. Since we have no idea what dark matter or dark energy are or even if they exist (and we haven't got a mistake in our maths), we can't rule out the possibility that something else is causing the redshift. We also can't rule out possibility of a big crunch, or of an infinite expansion, or of a giant universe eating beast coming and eating the whole universe in one gulp: we just don't know.

    Cosmology is one of the most weakly held together sciences (cosmology is the study of this kind of thing), it relies on a lot of assumptions that may not be true, we haven't found ways to test them yet, and much of it is untested. Cosmology also changes its mind frequently depending on current research, which is great, that's how science works. My point is that you shouldn't trust any theories it puts forward as if they were set in stone. Yes, they're a good step forward but they are by no means the end of the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_uk_83 View Post
    Cosmology is one of the most weakly held together sciences (cosmology is the study of this kind of thing), it relies on a lot of assumptions that may not be true, we haven't found ways to test them yet, and much of it is untested. Cosmology also changes its mind frequently depending on current research, which is great, that's how science works. My point is that you shouldn't trust any theories it puts forward as if they were set in stone. Yes, they're a good step forward but they are by no means the end of the line.
    Indeed. Even the Big Bang isn't quite so incontestable as it's often assumed to be, to my understanding. It relies on the homogeneity of the current universe, which some researchers are arguing isn't necessarily a valid assumption.
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    What we are looking at is a theory called the Big Rip or The Big Chill

    I think the Big Crunch makes more sense though, as it gives an explanation as to how the universe re-starts itself. I keep hoping one day it slows down and starts compressing.

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    You don't know that the universe does keep going in a cycle. We also don't know that it's infinite. There may have been a beginning, there may be an end and there may be edges. We just haven't found any of them yet.

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