Artifex/citizen requirements amendment

[The Walrus]

The rationale behind this proposal is to help each rank have fair requirements. Civitates and Artifex are two different ends of the spectrum and thus is unfair to give them the exact same requirements to become a citizen of TWC.

Citizen

Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 3 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitates, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or CC, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.

To qualify for Citizenship,a member must meet one of the below requirements, a member must have at least fifty posts,been a registered member for one month, and have no warnings within the last six months.

• must have 50 posts and 2 ES articles or been in 2 Helios publications or on/have been on a mod team
  
• must have 100 posts
  
• must have 30 posts and a working product(mod,tool)

All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2; may post with the Symposium and may patronise other members as per Article 3

Proposers- Sir Dinadan

Supporters-

Edit: removed specific rankness to requirements

[gigagaia]

Well, I'm not sure I understand the need to associate specific requirements to each rank. I would support this if you just made the assortment not specific and just a general list of criteria, any of which can be applied for attaining citizenship...

[Perikles]

There is no problem with the requirements now, changing the Syntagma for one guy is really really *thinking of a word* stupid.



We do not need a Patrician style list of requirements, when will people understand less bureaucracy is more? *sigh*

[The Walrus]

There is no problem with the requirements now, changing the Syntagma for one guy is really really *thinking of a word* stupid.



We do not need a Patrician style list of requirements, when will people understand less bureaucracy is more? *sigh*

It may be one guy for now. But there will be more of 'em coming

[Perikles]

It may be one guy for now. But there will be more of 'em coming

No, that is absurd. Why change the really easy limit we have now of 50 for one person? The argument that there will be more of them doesn't carry any weight with me, if people can not be bothered to make 50 posts they should not have any rank. Someone could make 50 posts in one or two days, even if they are a modder, a 'good luck with your mod' here and a 'well done' there.

I do not think we should bend over backwards to cater for what will turn out to be 1 person and then restrict the rank like we did with Patrician. I will not see needless bureaucracy for no reason, the rules work fine now, we do not need to change them.

Grumpyoldman is now on 45 posts, look how easy it is, he will be at 50 in not time, no need for this.

[gigagaia]

What is good about this proposal, however, is that it allows for modders to ascend through hard work and contribution of mods (which they prefer to focus on) by means other than posting (which takes them longer), whereas it ensures that those who achieve citizenship through posting have a bit more "work" as civitates (ie. quality posts-the only thing we have to judge a non-modder by) before they are promoted through the ranks.

It's actually a splendid compromise in that respect. It allows for more than just posts to be recognized, and this is how it should be.

[the Black Prince]

the principle is perhaps sound, but i don't think the standard is.

[Boudicca]

I say let the law stand. There should always be room for excpetional input even under the application of the former rule.

It is impossible to include all thinkeable ways of contribution into the law. So perhaps we should introduce something like an exception clause?

[Elrond]

There are plenty of citizens atm - the problem is the lack of patricians / active patricians - this needs to be sorted out and lowering the quality of the citizenship requirements wont help the situation and could actualy make problems worse.

[Belisarius]

Proposed does have some merits but I'm inclined to oppose on the basis of JP's argument.

[Arakorn]

I oppose too, as I think the requirements are ridicolous. You have to contribute to ES/Helios?

Besides, as JP (and Belisarius) said, 50 posts is really easy, maybe even too low.

[Halie Satanus]

I don't support this either.

[deRougemont]

Who would have fewer than 100 posts yet have two articles in ES?

[Cymera]

50 posts should not be a problem, the ranks are distinct as it is. I have been working closely with two mods, I am actually a team member for one of them, and when Rammstein is working on the mod, he updates his forum with information daily. He worked up quite a large post count.

Not to mention DimeBagHo mods and he has hit about 1700 posts or so. There are very few modders who never post. If they are considered for the rank, then the same procedure can be applied as with Grumpy, we can tell the person in question that they are considered, and that they just have to post a bit more.

That should solve it

We need to solve the issue with Patricians fo sho.

[Hader]

I was thinking of doing something like this....but different. All I think that should be done, if anything, is make some distinction between modders (artifex) and debaters (Civitate). I will see what I come up with. So, as of now, I do not support.

[Simetrical]

I say let the law stand. There should always be room for excpetional input even under the application of the former rule.

It is impossible to include all thinkeable ways of contribution into the law. So perhaps we should introduce something like an exception clause?

That sounds much better.