Tsardom of Serbia

[SicilianVespers]

Use this thread to discuss, and post your contribution regarding the Serbian faction.

[SicilianVespers]

I started adding the Serbians. So far, I have completed the CoA, faction logos, and faction banners.

I will begin working on units, etc over the weekend. If any of you want to influence what they look like in the end, now is the time.

I will post a preview once I have added enough units.

[catintheoven]

I hope it will be a good buffer state against that pesky venice in dalmatia

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

I hope it'll pick on the Byzantines.

[SicilianVespers]

Here's a small preview from the campaign map and battle screen:


Serbian starting provinces



Faction banner, etc...



Serbian Knights charging Hungarian Levies


Everything works on the campaign map, so I will start the edu and edb work.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

Wow, looks great. That campaign map screenie made me very happy.

[SicilianVespers]

I am finished with with the Serbs, and I have to say, they are alot of fun to play.

In my first campaign I did a blitzkreig to capture Durazzo and Arta before the Byz and Naples, and the Byzantines attacked Belgrade and Skopia in the next turn. I was forced to accept vassalage, and they gave be Sofia.

Then I threw off the oppressor a few turns later, and now have a pretty powerful empire. I think they will be a favorite faction for many.

[Dreadking]

It good that you added Serbia. Great work guys.

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

Maybe you should consider PM DukeofSerbia, he was historical researcher for MTWR.He might help you with names of some of Serbian troops of that time and give you referance to what kind of equipment and armor they were wearing.

[SicilianVespers]

Maybe you should consider PM DukeofSerbia, he was historical researcher for MTWR.He might help you with names of some of Serbian troops of that time and give you referance to what kind of equipment and armor they were wearing.

It would be nice to get a completed set of names.

Here is part of the unit roster: (from memory)

Veliki Vlastela (Greater Noble Cavalry - lance, lamellar armor)
Dismounted Veliki Vlastela (spear, lamellar armor)
Mala Vlastela (Lesser Noble cavalry - bow, lamellar armor)
Dismounted Mala Vlastela (bow, lamellar armor)
Krajisnici - Light Infantry, maybe a Militia unit
Serbian Knights (Western Style knights)
Hussars
Bosnian Archers
Croat Axemen

Plus the regular generic Eastern European units.

I am thinking of adding Serbian Voynuks (same as Byzantine Infantry), but haven't decided yet.

[mikele]

It would be nice to get a completed set of names.

Here is part of the unit roster: (from memory)

Veliki Vlastela (Greater Noble Cavalry - lance, lamellar armor) - real name is Velmoza
Dismounted Veliki Vlastela (spear, lamellar armor) - Dismounted Velmoza (sword and lamellar armor)

Mala Vlastela (Lesser Noble cavalry - bow, lamellar armor) - Vlastelicici (something like a feudal knights not with bows and with chainmail armor)
Dismounted Mala Vlastela (bow, lamellar armor) - Dismounted Vlastelicici (bow, sword, chainmail armor)
Krajisnici - Light Infantry, maybe a Militia unit - Sebri
Serbian Knights (Western Style knights) - Srpski vitezovi
Hussars - not a historic unit so u can make this unit to be Vlastelicici
Bosnian Archers - Srpski strelci
Croat Axemen - Hercegovci

Plus the regular generic Eastern European units.

I am thinking of adding Serbian Voynuks (same as Byzantine Infantry), but haven't decided yet.

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This are real name, great efort anyway and great MOD man.

[mikele]

Can you add Serbian faction, so we can download. Pls.

[mikele]

And the real rulers in that period ware

Kings
Stefan Urosh II Milutin 1282-1321 - best economist and good soldier
Stefan Urosh III Dechanski 1321-1331 - He was blind, but verry sharp
Stefan Urosh IV Dushan 1331-1345 (king) 1345 - 1355 (Tzar or Emperor) - Most powerfull of all
Stefan Urosh V the Weak 1355 - 1371 (Tzar or Emperor)

[SicilianVespers]

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Hussars - not a historic unit so u can make this unit to be Vlastelicici


This are real name, great efort anyway and great MOD man.

I think Hussars are actually supposed to be Gusars, or something to that effect.

[mikele]

I think Hussars are actually supposed to be Gusars, or something to that effect.

No Hussars were Hungarian units. Gusars are something like a pirates. Gusar = Pirate.

[Zenith Darksea]

Are you sure that you've got Belgrade in the right place? Wasn't it more to the North East? I'll see if I can find a map of it.

Right, here's one (it's from the 19th century, but Belgrade didn't move anywhere in the intervening time):

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo...tates_1899.jpg

[SicilianVespers]

Are you sure that you've got Belgrade in the right place? Wasn't it more to the North East? I'll see if I can find a map of it.

Right, here's one (it's from the 19th century, but Belgrade didn't move anywhere in the intervening time):

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo...tates_1899.jpg

I will have to check when I get home, but right now I have to stay on task with the new factions. I will revisit the map after the factions are added. Thanks for pointing this out.

[gr33kp1mp777]

i would suggest that you change the serb faction symbol to something other than what it is........its historically accurate and all, but is just too similar to the byzantine double headed eagle..............i havent found a replacement so i guess we have no choice

[Matthæus]

i cant belive this. we had more than one discussion like this on twc. guess some people will never learn.

there are no proofs that kotromanics were serbs. so please drop that. and this is unimportant for this mod and offtopic because they were not in "tsardom of serbia" (as you know bosnia is different state) so they are not represented here.

[Tzar]

Tvrtko Kotromanic was crowned as 'the King of SERBS, Bosnia, the Seacoast and Western Parts" on the grave of St. Sava in the Mileseva. In order to emphasize the relationship of the Nemanjic (Serb in Rascia, the first Serbian state within the borders of modern Serbia) and Kotromanic (Bosnian Serb) dynasties , Tvrtko puts before his own name, the title Stefan, which indicates that he is crowned. In this letter the name Stefan is mentioned often (see for example the last word in the first sentence), just as it is also emphasized in the letter the concept of "Serbian land" or "Serbs" (Srbljem) as one ethnic categorization. For example, in the fifth line, Tvrtko clearly indicates the roots of his 'parents of Serb nobility". Also, at the end of the letter, on the right side in big letters there is emphasized the title "King of the Serbs.
For a source, see the letters of the medieval rulers which are microfilmed in their original and are kept in the Dubrovnik archives. Also see the letters of the Bosnian ban (viceroy) Ninoslav.

The letters of the Bosnian nobles of the Kotromanic dynasty in which we clearly see how they felt their ethnicity to be
Serbian
for more info see:http://members.tripod.com/cafehome/s...g.htm#Ninoslav