(Moved to Vote)Former Staff Officers Ammendment

[imb39]

Rationale - To deny some people of an honourary rank due to some arbitary time limit seems churlish to me. I worked damned hard in my first few weeks - less now, I admit ). Basically, I am turning these ranks into guidelines (they are, essentially honorary ranks only - yes, senatorii can serve on the Tribunal, but so can Patricians now).

Article 5 - Former Staff Officers

Upon retirement or resignation from an Officer position, all Senior Moderators are awarded the honorary rank of Senatorii. All other Council Officers and Senior Staff Officers are awarded the honorary rank of Officer Emeritus. These ranks are awarded automatically if time served as a Senior Officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks. If the period in office is less than 12 weeks, these ranks can be awarded if The Council unanimously agrees. They are considered the same as honorary ranks awarded under Section 3.

All Moderators, Council Officers and Staff Officers are awarded a medal appropriate to the branch they have served in, in accordance with Section 5 of this document, if time served as an officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks.

The awarding of these ranks and medals is honorary and accords no additional rights or privileges except with regard to Senatorii as detailed in Section 4. The awarding of these ranks is the gift of the Council to retiring Staff Officers and may not be removed by the Curia.

The awarding of these ranks and awards to Staff Officers who are removed from their position following a vote of No Confidence, or are otherwise fired is at the discretion of the Council provided the 12 week service provision is also met.

Proposer - imb39
Supporters - Sir Dinadan, Fabolous, Manstein16, Cymera, Belisarius

edits:

1 - Adjusted the medals paragraph to eliminate an inconsistency.

[The Walrus]

I fully support this

[Fabolous]

As I stated in a similar thread I'd be glad to see the "senior" part removed from both.


I can't say I support allowing those who haven't served a simple 3 months senatorii or emeritus. 3 months isn't all that long, if you can't make it, I question whether you deserve such a rank.

[imb39]

Do you think it has to be concurrent service or in one go? I added the last bit to provide some flexibility. Sometimes personal situations change that are way beyond our control. for others it is a loss of interest. For the former (especially if they do a tremendous amount of effort) I'd like for the provision to be there. Maybe rule out an award if less than 8 weeks.

I am mindful of the potential problems with Aristocrat's deserved award. I'd hate for shackles to be placed when we both know he put in a tremendous amount of effort into the site.

[Fabolous]

Do you think it has to be concurrent service or in one go? I added the last bit to provide some flexibility. Sometimes personal situations change that are way beyond our control. for others it is a loss of interest. For the former (especially if they do a tremendous amount of effort) I'd like for the provision to be there. Maybe rule out an award if less than 8 weeks.

No reason to limit it to in one attempt. Time in staff is time in staff.

I am mindful of the potential problems with Aristocrat's deserved award. I'd hate for shackles to be placed when we both know he put in a tremendous amount of effort into the site.

Yeah he deserved it for his work... and Aristo served 25 weeks or so, more than double the required time.


EDIT: Upon some thought, I consider senatorii (and emeritus) to be from the council and the councils to decide... perhaps no requirements at all, just the will of the council? I'm sure we can trust the council not to just give it to someone who did nothing for 2 weeks and then leaves. Trust the council to use their gift wisely, and leave it up to them.

[imb39]

I understand, but even if he had served 11 weeks, I think he'd deserve it.

[Fabolous]

I understand, but even if he had served 11 weeks, I think he'd deserve it.

See my edit.

[imb39]

OK. Are you a supporter, then?

[Fabolous]

OK. Are you a supporter, then?

Yes.

[Erich von Manstein]

I support.

[Cymera]

Supporterizing as we speak.

[Belisarius]

You have my Support Ian.

[Denny Crane!]

Has my support.

Peter

[the Black Prince]

this is interesting...

you are granting rank to senior staff and staff, and granting medals only to staff.... why on earth would staff be deserving of medals AND rank, and senior staff only of rank?

the rationale behind the time limit was based on the fact that STAFF did not want someone who joins up, then resigns fairly quickly getting the same rank as someone who has given over a years service.

the rationale behind restricting rank to senior staff is that as staff numbers have increased and increased and increased, there were so many senatorii, the rank as honorary and special status no longer has any meaning, because so many people hold it.

by introducing medals as well, it gave some method of rewarding and recognising staff, while withholding honorary rank for only those extra special dedicated and committed people who have given exceptional service within the most senior staff ranks, and thereby restoring some value to the rank.

i do not support this. it defeats entirely the need and point for having medals, and devalues completely the two staff honorary ranks to the point they are worthless.

furthermore, since the staff refuse to implement staff officer ranks for any other than moderator staff, and leave content and technical staff to be treated and appear the same as ordinary members, it seems kind of silly that they would be so concerned about ensuring ordinary content staff are given a reward upon retiring, since they get no title badge or rank whilst serving.

[imb39]

this is interesting...

Is it...?

you are granting rank to senior staff and staff, and granting medals only to staff.... why on earth would staff be deserving of medals AND rank, and senior staff only of rank?

OK. I shall ammend that aspect. It wasn't my intent.

the rationale behind the time limit was based on the fact that STAFF did not want someone who joins up, then resigns fairly quickly getting the same rank as someone who has given over a years service.

Yes. I know... I want flexibility - a concept that does not come easy to you, as we have previously discussed.

the rationale behind restricting rank to senior staff is that as staff numbers have increased and increased and increased, there were so many senatorii, the rank as honorary and special status no longer has any meaning, because so many people hold it.

It is restricted to moderators only. As the site ages, of course the numbers of those holding the rank is increased.

by introducing medals as well, it gave some method of rewarding and recognising staff, while withholding honorary rank for only those extra special dedicated and committed people who have given exceptional service within the most senior staff ranks, and thereby restoring some value to the rank.

i do not support this. it defeats entirely the need and point for having medals, and devalues completely the two staff honorary ranks to the point they are worthless.

Actually it doesn't The medals are awarded based upon length of service.

furthermore, since the staff refuse to implement staff officer ranks for any other than moderator staff, and leave content and technical staff to be treated and appear the same as ordinary members, it seems kind of silly that they would be so concerned about ensuring ordinary content staff are given a reward upon retiring, since they get no title badge or rank whilst serving.

I know you want yet another rank, you have it - Emeritus. I have made my position on this clear, as have you. However, here is a post that I made in another discussion -

I think Senatorii should ba an award for services provided to the site purely for moderation purposes. I have no problems with a similar one (hack?) for those who are ex Content Staff.

Before people go off on some barney about inequality etc - moderators are not a common breed. It is helpful to have them demarcated in some form.

Finally, the Senatorii rank is the complete province of Hex. It is the gift of Hex. It is not Curial. Whilst I think that the Curia can give it's opinions, I think Hex should be able to deal with individual moderators who retire on a case by case basis. I'd much prefer if the above were guidelines.

tBP, I have no problem in you being a Hack.

[scottishranger]

Moved to Vote

[the Black Prince]

should i take this opportunity to point out that duie to poor drafting, if this amendment passes, moderators (and staff officers) can gain honorary rank, but only if time served as a senior moderator (or staff officer) exceeds 12 weeks!!

the only thing this bill changes is the ability for the council to award honorary rank to senior staffers with less than 12 weeks service
kinda pointless really