Rationale - The requirements of becoming a Citizen are bizarrely out of kilter with reality (my interpretation!) Specifically that the member should not have a warning within 6 months. It seems ridiculous to hold potential Citizens to a significantly higher standard than those who currently enjoy the tax free privileges we all do in this haven or are able to judge others in any capacity.
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Do not support, why change the post count limit? If anything I'd get rid of it, not worth the server space it takes up really. I know that isn't a reason but people do not propose others under 100 posts most of the time anyway and people wouldn't propose under 50 posts as there isn't enough to base anything on. Just get rid of it, gives patrons one less thing to worry about and there won't be a flood of 1 post civs.
Last edited by Perikles; April 02, 2007 at 12:51 PM.
While I support the 3 month part along with you, I do not like going back to 100 posts. Because for some modders that spend all of their free time modding, they can't post that much. Especially if they aren't the PR guy for their mod team. This would hurt the patronizing of modders. While it probably wouldn't hurt civitates at all(respectfully)
I would support if the post count remained the same.
Don't raise the post count, or the 6 month rule. Civitates should not be getting warnings, if you have a problem with current civs being let away with too much, impose harsher penalties on them, don't lower the bar for joining.
On another note, people are never allowed to join staff with warnings, and yet staff members get warnings and are not always removed. If your objection is that it is easier to get into the system then get thrown out of it, that is pretty much always true, civ system, staff, any of it.
I support, I don't think that some infractions for silly small reasons should be denied the right to citizenship. Everyone makes mistakes, we are humans, and we may lose our temper or post something bad sometime, and eventually get an infraction. I would lower it more, to one month possibly, but 3 is better than 6.
Post count doesnt matter as much especially for artifex.
I am agaisnt this proposal for the simple reason that there were 25 new citizens last month - there are enough people who meet the citizenship requirements as it - we simply dont need more citzens.
I think more time should be spent of discussing the Patrician rank as oposed to the basic citizen ranks.
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Post count doesnt matter as much especially for artifex.
I am agaisnt this proposal for the simple reason that there were 25 new citizens last month - there are enough people who meet the citizenship requirements as it - we simply dont need more citzens.
I think more time should be spent of discussing the Patrician rank as oposed to the basic citizen ranks.
What!?!?!? Do you seriously think that we should deny very capable candidates for 6 months after they get a warning! Heck, not even TRibunal Judges are held to that sort fo standard.
The reasons to go against this are, if you forgive me, crazy. The fact that we have a good influx of Citizens (the first time in months, I might add) indicates there is quality out there. If you want to raise the bar, this is not the way to do it. It is totally unfair and so out of kilter with the way warnings are treated by every other group. Why should Peregrinii (is that the right spelling?) be held to massively higher standards than the rest of us? That, to my mind, is asinine.
A valid point, yes, but we should not stop taking anymore citizens, just not patronize every modder we see as has become the new trend. Higher req's might be an option, and I'd especially support a higher post count. 100 is good. The post count can't be too high either, but not too low as the future citizen must show that it wants to help develop TWC.
I have to say that something is messed with the family tree! If my uncle is fifteen years younger then I am, then something must have gone wrong in the bed room
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I neither support nor condemn; my only bone to pick is that we should put measures in place which would help lower the number of new citizens per month. As Elrond pointed out, there were 25 new citizens last month - way too many imo, and something needs to be introduced to curb this.
I support. I'm most in line with the idea that citizenship should be awarded on merit, particularly in respect to quality of posting; I'm prepared to suffer a somewhat passionate person [I like that euphemism], warnings or no, as long as there's evidence of intelligence.
I must admit to a certain bias, because, as you all know, I've had my share of warnings, and, it isn't rare for me to say things which could be considered in the gray areas between outright flame/troll and legitimate comment.
Originally Posted by selenius
I neither support nor condemn; my only bone to pick is that we should put measures in place which would help lower the number of new citizens per month.
Yeah, CdeC seems like a rubber stamp. I'd prefer a little bit more scrutiny into a member, and further clarification of the requirements for civitateship and patricianship.
We really ought to preserve exclusivity as much as possible, as that is always fascinating, and a real draw for people. "He who praises all, praises none."
As Elrond pointed out, there were 25 new citizens last month - way too many imo, and something needs to be introduced to curb this.
The Artifex applicants we've had have been extremely strong, and it would be difficult to deny them the recognition in light of their work; however, I think that the casual citizen or civitate really ought to be exemplary in order to qualify.
Last edited by Aristophanes; April 08, 2007 at 03:12 PM.
Last month ws an anomoaly, though it might be the start of a new trend. Barely two/three months ago Archer posted a request for some patronisation attempts...
(Moved to vote)Patronisation ammendment
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Originally Posted by Elrond
