what do you think about human cloning, is it the greates achivement or the worst mistake? why?

[juanji15]

today on my class we were discussing human cloning and that in the near future it might be possible to create a identical twin by cloning, many people were in favor and others against it but what do you think?

[Zephyrus]

Reminds me of the stem cell arguement. If something has the potential to heal you, unless it involves a thinking being dying, why not test it out? Im a religious nut too and i say do some work on the stemmies

[vizi]

There are sub forums outside of this sub forum.

Just thought you would like to know.

[Nihil]

There are sub forums outside of this sub forum.

Just thought you would like to know.

Listen to Vizi, he knows things. I'll send this to the Ethos, since the focus of the original poster's intent was the ethical aspects of cloning rather than the technical.

[Axe-Battler]

There's nothing wrong with it, God and religion have nothing to do with it, because god and religion are just terms thus thoughts and concepts made by man.

If man has the technology to clone, why should that be considered any worse than riding a bicycle? Bicycles are a tool and/or technology, so cloning is just another discovery.

Look at it with total realism, once you do, you will see that there is nothing wrong with it. That is to view it with a clear and unpre-assuming mind.

If you see or feel that there is something wrong with it, then you are looking at it with prejudice or known(your own thoughts) feelings and thoughts.

[MaximiIian]

1. This is better for the Athaeneum.

2. If properly regulated for the public good, human cloning could be the greatest thing ever hit upon by humankind. Image the possibilities of human clone farms- cheap organs and transplant parts, available for the masses; cheap blood for transfusions, available for all.
Some might call this barbaric, but I think that the human lives you could save and the medical improvements possible outweigh the deaths of many clones. That is, if you grow an entire clone human to get those parts. It is theoretically possible to merely clone certain organs or tissues without using an entire human clone as a host medium.

However, just like with any technology, if it fell into the wrong hands, it could be devastating. If someone rich enough, or worse, a government determined enough, cloned an army of humans calibrated for optimal combat efficiency, the effects would be dire. Of course, such worries are several decades away, but they are still something that, though it sounds goofy, must be considered when undertaking human cloning.

[Imperator_Maximus]

I'm not really sure if cloning is ethical in the eyes of God (the Pope might have said but who knows what He thinks) so to me cloning is not about ethnicity.

It would just simply be weird. Right there is no point to cloning unless you want to make a mindless clone army (which actually be kinda cool). So right now its just a bunch ooo and ahhh and woooow. Therefore I will just let the governent leave it as it is.

[MaximiIian]

Animals suffer so that humans may live. It's unavoidable. But, you see, they are animals, not humans.

Humans are animals.

to me cloning is not about ethnicity.

No one said it did?

but if you were cloned wouldnt you loose your identity, your uniqness, i mean he wouldn't have the same behavior but it would be freaky seeing some exactly like you.

Not at all. Your personal experiences and mental maturation is what gives you your unique identity, not your physical appearance. It is you that makes you you, not how you look.
Besides, as Plutarch said, merely because they have the same genotype does not necessarily mean they will have the same phenotype. It all falls down to ratios and probability, which is totally random.

[Oldgamer]

Humans are animals.

This is true. But it is also true that animals are not humans, as we prove every time we eat a steak or a hamburger.

Perhaps pork is the animal world's revenge on our omnivorous species ...

[Skyler]

Perhaps pork is the animal world's revenge on our omnivorous species ...

Either that or Porky Pig. th th th that's all folks, *sigh* I really should restrain myself about making bad jokes in public.

[wilting]

However, just like with any technology, if it fell into the wrong hands, it could be devastating. If someone rich enough, or worse, a government determined enough, cloned an army of humans calibrated for optimal combat efficiency, the effects would be dire. Of course, such worries are several decades away, but they are still something that, though it sounds goofy, must be considered when undertaking human cloning.

I think in the time frame where this is relavent mass produced robots will be a much more practical alternative. Humans take years to grow and train, robots can be built quickly. One doesn't even need to develop artifical intelligence; they can simply be remote control and/or semi-autonomous. Add the relief of worry about human casualities and what that might mean for a political system, the general superior endurance and ease of maintenance of machines compared to soft and mentally fallible humans and it's an easy choice.

[RZZZA]

We can do it, so I guess it was God's will. God has a divine plan and obviously nuclear war and human cloning were in it.

Infallible logic.

[vizi]

We can do it, so I guess it was God's will. God has a divine plan and obviously nuclear war and human cloning were in it.

Infallible logic.

You win.

[Axe-Battler]

God has a divine plan and obviously nuclear war and human cloning were in it

I always thought about those things, in my view, if there is a single God that created the universe, then this God must truly be trying to slaughter us mercilessly if we do something as simple as watch the news where a 2 year old girl gets raped by a pedaephile, but multiply that suffering by the millions...

That's when I started thinking God and Angels are either several things instead...

1)God and "Angels" are demons, tricking humans into worship by "holy books".
2) God and Angels are interdimensional beings that are simply just quantum leaping and could care less about us, why should they?
3) God and Angels are actual Extraterrestrials, and there's many different Gods - which are the kings of these alien groups, and the Angels are their closest disciples.

But that illumanati/conspiracy/matrix/metaphysical/mythological stuff gets old and has no purpose, it does not serve you in any way, it's garbage that you should'nt subject your mind to... so I stopped reading about that stuff,

[Oldgamer]

Before getting all excited about human cloning and saying, "Cool! Let's do it!", read the available literature about the successful cloning experiments with animals. Get the facts.

For every animal that is successfully cloned and lives to birth, many hundreds of embryos die, and many others suffer terrible genetic defects, causing death. It is not a simple case of injecting genetic material into a cell, implanting it in a womb, and creating a happy, healthy living thing.

If anyone thinks that the uproar and public debate over abortion has been way too much (and I've been fighting this battle since before 1973), wait till the above horror starts.

[Yakov]

I highly disaprove of such a satanic act (please dont flame me). And even though it is good it will only benifit rich countries not 3rd world countries like mine.

[RZZZA]

I highly disaprove of such a satanic act (please dont flame me). And even though it is good it will only benifit rich countries not 3rd world countries like mine.

Really?

Well, rich people aren't the only ones with access to penecillin, and that was developed thanks to research on animals.

If we stop all medical research based on animals, we can toss out 80% of medical progress altogether and go back to living in the 18th century or something.

[Yakov]

Really?

Well, rich people aren't the only ones with access to penecillin, and that was developed thanks to research on animals.

If we stop all medical research based on animals, we can toss out 80% of medical progress altogether and go back to living in the 18th century or something.

Its not the animals I care about are not they soulless and do not go to heaven nor hell. I mean creation was Gods job not our own. You are right about the creation of spare parts (kidneys and the such) but how can these benefit countries like Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Nigeria, and Congo etc. Who can’t afford the neccisic facilities and such and would be the cost of such parts

(please dont flame me for beliving in god)

[vizi]

According to the Bible humans were made in the image of God as his greatest achievement.

Why is it wrong to attempt to emulate God?

And this is an ethics thread. Wrong forum.

[RZZZA]

So what? Animals must suffer for scientific progress, isn't that common knowledge?

Animals suffer a lot in our society, it's unavoidable.