Professor420 for Opifex

[Evariste]

I would like to nominate Professor420 for Opifex.


Rarely does a member put as much blood, sweat, and (most importantly) tears into an internet community.


But I'm getting ahead of myself.


In the beginning, back in April of Twenty-Aught-Five, the young professor was a budding modder.

He made a name for himself contributing as an art director to the Fourth Age mod, a project that simply oozes credibility and professionalism.

Also, Prof has helped produce several notable tutorials for modders, of such high quality to earn him an award. I know of many other members who swear by these, and no doubt the premature graying/balding of young, fresh-faced modders has been prevented by him. Of course, there's the Symposium for modders, and the redistributable modding list, things that I don't really understand, but hear from others that they're much appreciated.

Professor's constant modding contributions are enough to grant him this coveted title by themselves, but his long and notable Curial career seals the deal.


Prof420 has easily been the Curia's most vocal voice for change since he began to involve himself in it. I can't think of many (read: any) other citizens who seem to find the time and dedication to devote several paragraphs of arguments over almost every piece legislation introduced, or staff member elected/appointed. If anything, the man deserves an A for effort.

I always saw Professor as a necessary (if extreme) counterweight to complacency in the Curia. Annoying, sure, but noteworthy? Absolutely.

I'd go through and quote some choice posts, but almost every one is a lengthy winner, I couldn't pick just a handful.

I haven't even mentioned his significant contributions to the Total War Center Wiki. That would be much more bare without Prof's guiding hand.

Professor's outstanding modding contributions and unending yet substantial Curia debates combine to make him a worthy candidate for Opifex.

I leave this for the Curia to decide.

[Belisarius]

i support

[deRougemont]

Hmmm, so why isn't he a citizen right now anyway? Is this temporary, permanent, by choice? From the posts I've seen by him, he seems quite angry with the happenings in the Capitol. Is this the (deserved) fig leaf to him?

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

Agree

Hmmm, so why isn't he a citizen right now anyway? Is this temporary, permanent, by choice? From the posts I've seen by him, he seems quite angry with the happenings in the Capitol. Is this the (deserved) fig leaf to him?

his choice - but this would be a good way of showing him the Curia thinks his choice was wrong - worst case he gets the award, which he definitely deserves, and still doesn't post in Curia. Best case he bows to our wishes and posts.

He certainly still watches the Curia

[Elric von Rabenfels]

I´m quite new, and all I know about Prof is that he likes to post against the Curia - in a rather aggressive way. But as I said, I´m quite new, so could you please give some info about what Prof has done in modding, if it really is that much, I will agree

[gigagaia]

to be honest, I think the last thing Professor420 would want, is the curia giving him an award just to get him back posting in the curia. This kind of political work seems to be something he quite dislikes.

The award should be judged and bestowed based on the user's outstanding contribution to TWC as a member, and I am sure that that is what he would tell all of you.

Personally, I feel his contributions, as Evariste has noted, are immense. But I would balk at giving someone the badge simply to force them back into the curia.

I cautiously support this.

[Elric von Rabenfels]

Will anybody be mad at me if I abstain?
I just don´t know if to support or disagree
And before I make a vote without information and a clear sight for what I vote, I would rather abstain.

[Mímirswell]

Why would Professor420 want this? He forsook the Curia because it refused to support his ideals; how is a badge going to replace the lack of support in them? If you want Professor420 back, embrace some of the changes he was espousing. Otherwise, this is merely a token gesture, nothing more.

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

sorry, I didn't mean to give that impression.

For me I'd give him an award for his modding only, any Curia benefits would be a bonus but in no way related to why I'd want him to get the award

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

surely it is a recognition of his modding contribution?

[Mímirswell]

A substantive basis of the proposal is his contributions to the Curia. Furthermore, the title of Opifex is granted by the Curia and automatically confers the title of Citizen should the user not already be one. I do not challenge whether he is qualified (he is) rather I seek to point out that Professor420 wishes for the Curia to support his ideals and this would serve as nothing without meaningful support of the former.

[Halie Satanus]

I agree with Mim, Prof's Curial contributions are irrelevant to the Opifex award anyway, added to that i did hint at this to Prof last week and he declined.

Saying that i would vote for Prof simply for the modeling tutorials he made, perhaps an amendment can be made to the Opifex rank, ie; Citizenship is automatically granted with the Opifex rank but may be declined by the recipient. I can think of a few people that would probably prefer that anyway.

I'd ask Prof what he thinks about this though.

[Soulghast]

I support, I have watched his modelling tutorials, and I think that he deserves it.

But, from what I have seen, he hates the Curia and anything that has to do with it, so I do not think that he will be very pleased with this proposal...

[selenius4tsd]

Based only on modding, I would give it to him. However it is not just about modding. So I will also cautiously support.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

I support, but only under the condition that Prof420 wants the title.

[Perikles]

Prof doesn't hate the Curia, he dislikes somes of the things it stands for at the moment/people in it.

I too cautiously support, although I believe the chances of him accepting are low.

[Evariste]

Must we get bogged down in amendment after amendment?


The title of Opifex is granted to any continued, significant contributions, modding or otherwise.

Prof clearly fufills this requirement, and whether or not he accepts this title should have no bearing on the Curia's decision to have it bestowed upon him.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Prof clearly fufills this requirement, and whether or not he accepts this title should have no bearing on the Curia's decision to have it bestowed upon him.

So you want to honour the person by giving an award against thier wishes? Isn't this kind of disrespecting what the member? If you really respect what this person has accomplished then you will let them choose if they accept it or not. To make them accept the title shows clearly no respect for the member or the title itself.

[Evariste]

So you want to honour the person by giving an award against thier wishes? Isn't this kind of disrespecting what the member? If you really respect what this person has accomplished then you will let them choose if they accept it or not. To make them accept the title shows clearly no respect for the member or the title itself.

Of course he should not be forced to accept the award.


But that's not the Curia's place, is it?


We vote, we offer him the title, and he accepts or refuses.

Whether or not he accepts it should have no bearing on the Curia's desire to reward his accomplishments, or rather, to give him the option of reward.

[Fabolous]

Prof clearly fufills this requirement, and whether or not he accepts this title should have no bearing on the Curia's decision to have it bestowed upon him.

That isn't the precedent that has been established and followed. If someone doesn't want to be put forth, you cannot force them to be. If Prof says he doesn't want the rank, there will be no vote, as has been done before. I believe ER had a similar senario.

I'd like to see Prof accept, but I doubt he will. I assume people have contacted him? (Isn't the Proth public now anyways, so he can read this himself? Or not?)