Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

[dannyboy]

My question is this.

What is the deal with Muslims always saying "peace be upon him" every time they think or annunciate "Prophet Muhammad"?

I mean, honestly, isn't peace already upon him if he is this so called prophet? Does Allah really need you to declare what Allah has already made so?

Furthermore, I've noticed that "peace be upon him" has been shorted to "pbuh" online by those who are Muslim. Is this religious repetition so inconsequential to Allah that He has become accepting of religious zeal in the form of shorthand l337 speak? I think you could pronounce even more peace on Muhammad if you typed out the whole thing.

After all, he's going to need all the peace he can get since he was a false prophet.

In any case, I really do want to know what the sake of saying "peace be upon him" all the time is. What is this doing for you or for him?

[jankren]

No need, use the report button-Garb.

In any case, I really do want to know what the sake of saying "peace be upon him" all the time is. What is this doing for you or for him?

It definitely does nothing to anyone because according to Al Quran every soul is responsible ONLY for him/herself and there shall be no intercession in the hereafter. I think the reason many Muslims do that merely out of respect or tradition. I for one never bother putting 'pbuh' after Muhammad because I dont see any point of doing so.

Peace ,

[boofhead]

That pbuh thing is annoying, and seems quite a pointless ritual, but up until this point I had not really thought much about it. I am not flaming or whatever, but how annoying would it be if every time I typed Jesus I typed "(God made manifest in the flesh)" or (gmmitf)?

I would love to know the source of the ritual, whether it be a hadith or whatever. I think that was the point of the OP, despite the strange manners.

BTW dannyboy I think he was a false prophet too. It just depends how you say it

[Scorch]

To me it is an interesting concept, and one I don't fully understand the usefulness of, but I guess as Jankren and Ibn Rushd said, it's out of tradition and respect.

Kind of like when Christians talk about dead people, you'll often hear people say "Did you know that (insert dead person's name here), god rest his soul, liked to eat his caviar fresh?"

It's just ingrained in someone's morals and beliefs, and although I can see it getting fairly tedious if I did it, I respect the tradition, as much as I don't understand it.

And seriously dannyboy, whether or not you agree with the theology of Muslims, you'll find that NO-ONE will start listening to you (Christian or Muslim) if you talk with such blatant disrespect for their beliefs.

No, no, no. Garb.

Thank you.

[Sadreddine]

Find it annoying or not, it is a traditional islamic courteous formula, institutionalized, I suppose, by the Prophet's successors. I doubt there exists a hadith for that, thoug I may be wrong of course. In the case of the Prophet, muslims say in arabic "sal alahu alaihi wa salam", which means "peace and blessings (of God) be upon him". It is shortened as (sas), (saws), (s) or, in english, (pbuh). For the rest of prophets, the formula "peace (of God) be upon him" is used. I usually use the (s) the first time I name a prophet.

Prophets will be in the peace of God (the "Garden" or "Paradise"); that's usually taken as fact. Muslims anyway express respect towards prophets, differentiating them from the rest of humans, by using that formula.

It is also used the formula, not nearly as often however, "Allah forgive him/her!" or "May Allah have forgiven him/her!" whenever you name a dead person who is dear to you.

In Spain, some christians (and all christians just a few decades ago) use to say "may he rest in peace" whenever they name a dead person who is dear to them. I don't know if this is a custome inherited from Muslim Spain or it is shared by all christians. In any case, as you can see, not only muslims use formulas for respect. Probably many other religions use them too.

[Scorch]

Find it annoying or not, it is a traditional islamic courteous formula, institutionalized, I suppose, by the Prophet's successors. I doubt there exists a hadith for that, thoug I may be wrong of course. In the case of the Prophet, muslims say in arabic "sal alahu alaihi wa salam", which means "peace and blessings (of God) be upon him". It is shortened as (sas), (saws), (s) or, in english, (pbuh). For the rest of prophets, the formula "peace (of God) be upon him" is used. I usually use the (s) the first time I name a prophet.

Prophets will be in the peace of God (the "Garden" or "Paradise"); that's usually taken as fact. Muslims anyway express respect towards prophets, differentiating them from the rest of humans, by using that formula.

It is also used the formula, not nearly as often however, "Allah forgive him/her!" or "May Allah have forgiven him/her!" whenever you name a dead person who is dear to you.

In Spain, some christians (and all christians just a few decades ago) use to say "may he rest in peace" whenever they name a dead person who is dear to them. I don't know if this is a custome inherited from Muslim Spain or it is shared by all christians. In any case, as you can see, not only muslims use formulas for respect. Probably many other religions use them too.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Well most of my relatives are Christian (coming from Ireland, so Catholic I guess) and when they say the name of a dead person that was close to them they tend to follow that up with "God rest his/her soul" or something like that.

I guess it's just tradition and custom.

[tnick777]

He is not flaming.

That is his opinion.

Now if he came out and said this

'Mohammad was a dum ***** mo ***** and he ******'

That would be bad.


But if he feels Mohammad was a False prophet that is his opinion.

There are holes in Islam but every religion does.

[Hmmm]

Out of respect, i would guess? And why would it be annoying? Just dont read it if you find it annoying. I dont use to read the pbuh.

Tnick999, how did it contribute to this thread by sayingMuhammad was a false prophet? (im not stating you said it, im stating that dannyboy did it)

[Slime]

I, too, would think that adding "PBUH" after his name is a sign of respect, and perhaps faith, but the reason for how you can find this odd eludes me. Is the space of four letters that important? As you're a christian, a believer, you of all should understand, no?

[tnick777]

did he verbally explain that that was to make Muslims mad?
That's his opinion. I look at Mohammad myself as a very pious person, but the thing that turns me off Islam are the Militant sides of Mohammad

IMO Religion cannot condone war.

[Scorch]

did he verbally explain that that was to make Muslims mad?
That's his opinion. I look at Mohammad myself as a very pious person, but the thing that turns me off Islam are the Militant sides of Mohammad

IMO Religion cannot condone war.

True, and that's a valid point.

But anyone in their right mind would know that calling Mohammad a 'false prophet' would make Muslims mad.

And the fact that it was not in the slightest related to his argument shows he was deliberately trying to provoke the Muslim members of the forums.

Just like people saying Jesus was a coward, people know that'll provoke Christians, and if it's not part of their argument, than it makes it a deliberate attempt to provoke a member by insulting their beliefs.

But honestly, I agree with you, religion should never condone war.

[dannyboy]

Furthermore, I've noticed that "peace be upon him" has been shorted to "pbuh" online by those who are Muslim. Is this religious repetition so inconsequential to Allah that He has become accepting of religious zeal in the form of shorthand l337 speak? I think you could pronounce even more peace on Muhammad if you typed out the whole thing.

Personally, I found the above statement to be more "flaming" than my statement about my firm understanding that Muhammad was a false prophet. I admit, it did sound a bit flaming. I allowed my annoyance with the relgiosity of men to assist me in this post, and perhaps I should not have... I have not decided yet. However, my point was not to offend unnecessarily, but to wake up.

Why is it necessary to religiously chant "pbuh"? Does God really require this oral repetition from us? Is that what God wants? A chant to show Him respect? Jesus said that "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

Our Father, our Creator, knows exactly what we want before we ask it. He does not desire our relgious chanting, whether in language or otherwise, and nor is He impressed with it. Through the record of His prophets, God, through the Bible teaches us that He requires a broken spirit and a contrite heart. A relationship that can only be truly, and fully restored by the abolishment of sin. That is only offered through HIS GIFT of mercy... His Christ... His promise from the foundation of the world.

[MasterAdnin]

Our Father, our Creator, knows exactly what we want before we ask it. He does not desire our relgious chanting, whether in language or otherwise, and nor is He impressed with it. Through the record of His prophets, God, through the Bible teaches us that He requires a broken spirit and a contrite heart. A relationship that can only be truly, and fully restored by the abolishment of sin. That is only offered through HIS GIFT of mercy... His Christ... His promise from the foundation of the world.

Although I do not wish to take part in this thread as all I have ever seen Dannyboy do is insult Islam with false information and facts taken out of tabloids, but there is NO requirement to recite "Peace Be Upon Him/Her". It is done merely out of respect for the one you are reciting it for. As you will see, it is very similar to "God rest his soul" or anything that Christians say out of respect for a loved one. "Peace Be Upon Him/Her" is not limited to religious figures, but loved ones as well.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Sétanta]

It is a way to be teh religous rebelzor. By showing excessive zeal, they are showing that they are good muslims, even though God doesn't care if you put 4 letters after a dead guys name. Oh poor profit mohammad (schs), what did you do. You were such a good guy, and your followers started honoring you. Tsk tsk. Such idolatry.

[boofhead]

Now, this is good flaming. Intransigence and sarcastic, high handed tone. All in one.

Would you care to explain us what does "(schs)" mean so I can dutily report your post?

Ibn Rushd I half thought he was indicating the Xians here too. If someone believes Jesus was just a man then his sarcastic words apply equally to we "idolators".

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Sadreddine]

I am waiting until he explains what "(schs)" means.

Obviously, this thread calls for flaming by its essence and I suggest to close it for good. It is clearly provocative and makes good stuff for your classic right winded catholics to despise muslims a little more, again.

[boofhead]

I am waiting until he explains what "(schs)" means.

Obviously, this thread calls for flaming by its essence and I suggest to close it for good. It is clearly provocative and makes good stuff for your classic right winded catholics to despise muslims a little more, again.

I'd like to know what the "schs" means too actually. I also agree the thread should be closed. A question was posed and it has been answered. Full stop.
BTW I ain't Cath if that's what you were thinking (no need for a response).

[Garbarsardar]

Gentlemen, if you have any objection to the manner of posting of any user, please contact a moderator. Responding to trolls will get you warned.

This thread has been clean(s)ed, now I will give it a chance, but you have to help me.

[boofhead]

Setanta is a very naughty boy. I just worked out what it means but will not repeat it because I don't want a cyber-jihad on my behind. Strange thing is, if you said it in a Xian thread about Jesus, nobody would even care, not even the Xians themselves really.

[sephodwyrm]

Saying pbuh gives you rewards.
Its kinda like stacking on points, like how Christians invoke Lord Prophet Messiah Jesus Christ, son of Mary and fellow Nazareth with loads of hair.

I mean, honestly, isn't peace already upon him if he is this so called prophet? Does Allah really need you to declare what Allah has already made so?

You got that right.
Since Allah/God is omnipotent, there's really no need to wish God or his messengers well. They did their supposed jobs, and mankind is still busy making differences and killing each other. Whats the point.

Obviously, this thread calls for flaming by its essence and I suggest to close it for good. It is clearly provocative and makes good stuff for your classic right winded catholics to despise muslims a little more, again.

Why should you, or me, care?
If they believe that insulting prophets of their own fellow God is a way to earn merit, let them.
I'd rather laugh at their feeble efforts and taunt them a second time-uh.