How racist are you?

[Amorphos]

How racist are you?
This is a philosophical exploration of how people really feel about things and not an attack on any given race or culture!
I had an interesting conversation with a builder the other day, which spawned this...

how many 'foreigners' should/may be allowed into your country:

10%
20%
40%
60%
90%
100%
200% i.e. Would you accept twice as many people as the original inhabitants to come and live in 'your' country!
500%
1000% i.e. Do you think it acceptable that your country has many more foriegners than nationals.


Same with cultural influences:
to what degree would you accept externalised cultural change i.e. Foreign cultures/influences changing your culture. Some would say that it doesn't matter how much their culture is transformed and that there is a natural proccess by which things continue relatively the same e.g. In england the children of immigrants are thought of as generally the same as the original nationals – as people.

Are you in any way racist, on a personal or non personal level. I think very few people are racist towards individuals or even consider such a thing to be in any way acceptable.
So you think you are not at all racist!? you love foreign cultures [as i do], but would they exist if peoples and cultures blended – to what degree is that acceptable to you?
What happens when your livelihood is challenged by the influx of immigrants? e.g. If someone offers to do your job for less money – often far less, how do you compete and do you think its ok?


Well there's a few ideas to go by, you don't need to answer them all just say how you generally feel?

[Soulghast]

10000%. I am no racist at all.

[Amorphos]

Personally i too am not a racist i love all cultures, i dont mind if we become like ather cultures or a blend of them, it doesnt matter to me. I would be upset by people taking my job away though weather they are of another race or not.

Perhaps not everyone are the same some people may like being english italian french and be proud of that?

is it really all that simple? i mean we are not racist yet surely are to a degree - in some way - as highlighted above.

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

Personally i too am not a racist i love all cultures, i dont mind if we become like ather cultures or a blend of them, it doesnt matter to me.

Uhhh, me dream of Babylon 5 universe or something ala StarTrek, no country bounderies we are all earthlings, this OUR HOMEWORLD DAMN IT, no matter where they drop you...uhhhh!!!

Well, not likely gonna happen soon, but one kan dream, right :hmmm:

[deRougemont]

Uhhh, me dream of Babylon 5 universe or something ala StarTrek, no country bounderies we are all earthlings, this OUR HOMEWORLD DAMN IT, no matter where they drop you...uhhhh!!!

Well, not likely gonna happen soon, but one kan dream, right :hmmm:

The problem with this fictional idea is, as Finn as already pointed out, that there would be no such cultural diversity. After a few generations the groups would intermix and be utterly indistinguishable from each other. How monolithically boring would that be? How many cultures and ancient races would that destroy during the process?

On a side note, those who tried to preserve their cultural or biological roots would probably be labeled as racist, and be teleported into a black hole...

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

The problem with this fictional idea is, as Finn as already pointed out, that there would be no such cultural diversity. After a few generations the groups would intermix and be utterly indistinguishable from each other. How monolithically boring would that be? How many cultures and ancient races would that destroy during the process?

On a side note, those who tried to preserve their cultural or biological roots would probably be labeled as racist, and be teleported into a black hole...

Scientifecly speaking we are all one race, that evolved on different parts of this rock orbiting the sun.Maybe from now point of view it looks boring...but is it really.Todays french were confederation of many tribes that didnt view them selvs as "french", right.Eventually now they do.You still can read about them in history, maybe they thought same as you do.

I understand about cultural stuff, they would merge in one another as much happenes today, music for exempel...but biological...what species do you belong to...we are all human after all.Color means nothing, if inhabitans in africa are going to be more "lightish" in future and europeans more "darkish", so what?We are all humans lol...

[Sétanta]

I don't hate any race, because you can't hate something that God gave to somebody. I am ethnocentric and quite nationalistic. Basically, I think that some cultures and nations are inherently better, more civilized, more capable of ruling the world, ect. than others. Maybe 5-10% of a nations population should be of a different race or culture, but only if they completely integrate, even if they do keep some distinguishing characteristics (a good example would be a Chinatown, where everybody speaks english and is completely American, yet also keeping many Chinese customs)


I am called racist often though.

[turtle]

I don't hate any race, because you can't hate something that God gave to somebody. I am ethnocentric and quite nationalistic. Basically, I think that some cultures and nations are inherently better, more civilized, more capable of ruling the world, ect. than others.


I am called racist often though.

Well, you are correct, that is not racist at all. Perhaps, as you said, ethnocentric and nationalistic, but definately not racist. So, whoever thinks you to be racist based on your perception of other cultures is gravely misunderstood when it comes to racism.

[Lavastein]

i prefer only euros coming to the usa.

i would like to shut down the borders to all immigrants from anywhere but europe.

im not very fond of blacks, asians, muslims (not color wise i happen to have no problem with arab looks), or mexicans. That makes me a racist and i dont really care.

[PooFoo]

I don't see how wanting to preserve ones culture and national identity is racist.

Anyways, my requirements would be simple:

All immigrants would need to have a college degree. All current immigrants not meeting this requirement would be deported. If their countries don't take them (which they wont want to), I'd simply give them a raft and send them on their way.

Any immigrant to commit a crime is immediately deported.

All immigrants would have to learn the nations official language.

[Amorphos]

Kyiyo

discovers that 85% of all human variation can be found within any local population; about 94% within any continent

15% difference is a hell of a lot in genetics. It doesn't matter if its only 1% different is different. Of course we are going to be very similar as we all emanate from a single African mother – at the dawn of our species.
I do believe science but not when it is telling me black is white.
Historically people have always been racist, the english hated the vikings and the french, even if they were very similar, greeks hated persians etc – i dont get what you are saying here? Its not racial policies its a territorial mindset that equals racism, and it is not devised by any given power.

BTW, you are probably more genetically related to the African pygmy's then to your brother or sister.

I see your point, but its all in the counting – so to say, you can derive this fact by citing similarities of hardcoded genetics and say that perhaps a pygmy has more similar genetics that a family member of mine. yet if i shagged my sister the child would probably be genetically mutated. Its not the similarities, differences and amounts thereof, its the kind of differences that count!

How do scientists determine races by gene testing if there are no differences?

ps. i am willing to concede that race does not exist if it is true, it sound very nice and utopian – the very thing that people from other cultures and the PC protagonists use to say they have as much right to your country as you do... but speaking metaphorically; do they have the right to occupy your house!

Pps. didn't the Neanderthals mix to at least a small degree with homo-sapiens? If so then there will be some people who are different both racially and to a degree in terms of species [kinda].

Pps. Is a big nose genetic? Do certain cultures have more people with them than others? Etc etc

[Anarius]

60%.

I don't want to be a minority.

[Scar Face]

10000%. I am no racist at all.

It's not racist to want a certain level of foreigners within the society, to wish to keep the general makeup of that region. Anyways, I pick a good, healthy, 30%.

[turtle]

It's not racist to want a certain level of foreigners within the society, to wish to keep the general makeup of that region. Anyways, I pick a good, healthy, 30%.

Yes, that's more along the lines of nationalism (kinda) and ethnic identity. Most people anywhere in the world would want to hold onto their ethnic/national identity... I know I do. 30% is a fairly good number, IMO, as well. I think it good to share cultures, but cultural take-over is the last thing anyone wants.

[NaptownKnight]

Here in America I don't care as long as their legal and they speak english. I'm not accomadating anyone by learning new languages in my own country.

[Skyler]

I live near rotterdam, multicultirual blessed city of ethnicity and cultures, 10000% non-racist here.

Other cultures can make things interesting, so let us share.

[wilpuri]

I wouldn't call myself racist, rather ethnocentric. But sure, many people consider me racist (watch me not give a damn ).

[Metzgershund]

I wouldn't call myself racist, rather ethnocentric. But sure, many people consider me racist (watch me not give a damn ).

I am the exact same way. I am quite xenophobic and hate the idea of having to learn a foreign language just to communicate in the country my English speaking ancestors fought and died for.

[Amorphos]

kyiyo
i know it is not 100% that is fairly obvious even to the layman, as people are mixing all the time. if you get any collection of people and isolate them, they will become more of a ‘race’ because the predominant element would increase. think of it like this; if hitler had succeeded then germans would eventually be all or mainly blond haired and blue eyed [it probably would have taken many centuries], through selective breeding, and thus they would become a race. ok so these aspects are quite superficial but in ancient societies there was a lot less mixing so more gentic traits would be shared.
remember not all aspects of genetics are hardcoded and we don’t know them inside out.

i think science can be used to show all sort of pc propaganda, they are saying that a ‘whole’ group has to have certain characteristics, as if there is a distinct group to begin with in the twenty first century.

in my last post i tried to show this with my counter argument to your ‘pygmies are probably closer to you than your sister’. as i said before the ideas being presented here are noble, but i will not accept a view that is being put forwards as true when the ‘facts’ appear to be bent.

the main point i would make is that the use of the label ‘race’ doesn’t neccessarily have to be what science says it is. think of it in an ancient sense where the term ‘peoples’ may be used to describe both race and culture as an entity!


i will say; thank you for some excellent posts!

[Amorphos]

skyler
agreed, but to what degree would you share?

e.g england is already overpopulated or at least has the same pop density as the highest in the world, -why do we need more people.

what then if someone comes along and takes your job of you! do you still feel so liberal?

its not just a question of being a 'racist' but of degrees.

wilps

is there anything wrong with loving your own culture -as one loves other cultures? is that racist - i would say not.