Senatorii amendment

[Garbarsardar]

Senatorii amendment

I propose the following amendment. The reason is simple:under the current provisions of the Syntagma the majority of the moderating Staff is deprived from this award. This is unfair, considering the amount of work, time and energy spent by the frontline moderators in order to keep TWC friendly and functional

Proposer:[user] Garbarsardar[/user]
Supporters:[user] Fabolous[/user]

Article 5 - Former Staff Officers

Upon retirement or resignation from an Officer position, all Senior Moderators are awarded the honorary rank of Senatorii. All other Council Officers and Senior Staff Officers are awarded the honorary rank of Officer Emeritus. These ranks are awarded automatically if time served as a Senior Officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks. They are considered the same as honorary ranks awarded under Section 3.

All Staff Officers are awarded a medal appropriate to the branch they have served in, in accordance with Section 5 of this document, if time served as an officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks.

The awarding of these ranks and medals is honorary and accords no additional rights or privileges except with regard to Senatorii as detailed in Section 4. The awarding of these ranks is the gift of the Council to retiring Staff Officers and may not be removed by the Curia.

The awarding of these ranks and awards to Staff Officers who are removed from their position following a vote of No Confidence, or are otherwise fired is at the discretion of the Council provided the 12 week service provision is also met.

[Fabolous]

Hmm, I suppose there are council members who are not moderators, who would therefore could recieve officer emeritus I suppose? Yeah, atleast the Speaker, and others could be.

Ok, strong support.

[the Black Prince]

i do not support. this gives moderating staff an honorary rank and makes no provision whatsoever for content or technical staff. furthermore, the changes to this were enacted by this curia, and to cite the arguments of so many people when sim tried to abolish the tribunal, lets see how it works before you kick it out.

moderating staff are not deprived totally of an award, they are awarded medals based on their length of service, as are content staff and technical staff.

if this proposal passes, moderating staff will receive both a medal and an honorary rank, whilst content staff and technical staff receive only medals, a situation grossly unfair to the hardworking and dedicated people in the content branch.

[Tom Paine]

I agree with tBP; this is simply silly, because it just undermines the who equal-rank-status we presently are graced with amongst the three branches of staff.

[Fabolous]

Ahh yes, I also support removing "senior" from in front of staff officers so that all content staff and technical staff are eligible for Officer Emeritus if they have served for long enough. Because you would be quite right that we shouldn't create inequality.

[imb39]

I think Senatorii should ba an award for services provided to the site purely for moderation purposes. I have no problems with a similar one (hack?) for those who are ex Content Staff.

Before people go off on some barney about inequality etc - moderators are not a common breed. It is helpful to have them demarcated in some form.

Finally, the Senatorii rank is the complete province of Hex. It is the gift of Hex. It is not Curial. Whilst I think that the Curia can give it's opinions, I think Hex should be able to deal with individual moderators who retire on a case by case basis. I'd much prefer if the above were guidelines.

[Justinian]

I'd much prefer if the above were guidelines.

You'd like to think of them as more, guidelines, than actual rules? But seriously, I would tend to agree with imb in this situation. You could be a moderator for 12 weeks, but sit on your ass and do absolutely nothing and still be made Senatorii; or you could serve faithfully for years without being on the highest ranks of staff, like Trajan, and retire and receive the same rank and share it with someone who didn't do anything. Does that seem fair? I think that Hex should decide who receives the rank and who doesn't, regardless of how long they serve or what conditions they meet. It doesn't matter one way or another to the Curia anyway, because every Senatorii is exactly the same as every Patrician as far as Curial rights go.

[Publius]

But seriously, I would tend to agree with imb in this situation. You could be a moderator for 12 weeks, but sit on your ass and do absolutely nothing and still be made Senatorii; or you could serve faithfully for years without being on the highest ranks of staff, like Trajan, and retire and receive the same rank and share it with someone who didn't do anything. Does that seem fair?

Fair? No, probably not. But the administration has been and probably always will be too nice to say "I'm sorry, you don't deserve senatorii." It's not so much a matter of them deserving the rank, as how it reflects on the site when the administration says no, I am sorry, but you did not do enough to merit this. It simply does not reflect well.

So I would say that your intentions are admirable, and I support them, but I would be very surprised if they were implemented (in practice, not theory). That's why personally, I don't and never have seen Senatorii as any great honor - it has been and will (likely) be handed out unconditionally to those who serve the site as moderators. I can only value people on their merits as I see them, really.

[Fabolous]

I think Senatorii should ba an award for services provided to the site purely for moderation purposes. I have no problems with a similar one (hack?) for those who are ex Content Staff.

Hence officer emeritus? It, like senatorii, should be changed from limited to senior staff of either branch to all of the branch.

Before people go off on some barney about inequality etc - moderators are not a common breed. It is helpful to have them demarcated in some form.

Quite right. Especially with senatorii, for use with items such as the tribunal, where ex-moderators are needed as opposed to ex-staff.

Finally, the Senatorii rank is the complete province of Hex. It is the gift of Hex. It is not Curial. Whilst I think that the Curia can give it's opinions, I think Hex should be able to deal with individual moderators who retire on a case by case basis. I'd much prefer if the above were guidelines.

You are the one with the power to change it, so do so.

[the Black Prince]

Ian has reminded me of something

the curia cannot amend this, it does not have the authority to

Section 1 of this document and the procedure for a vote of No Confidence lie outside the remit of the Curia to modify or amend, unless such amendment is commenced and wholly authorised by the executive. The only exception to this is where an amendment changes the name of an Officer

this is an amendment to Section 1 Article 5, and can therefore only be commenced by the council

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

do it as a decision then if you still want to?

[imb39]

I suppose it could be a suggested alternative, but nothing is binding.