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DESCRIPTION
Start Settlements
- Rayy: Capital, City
- Isfahan: City
- Yazd: Wooden Castle
- Ardabil: Castle
- Tabriz: Large Town
- Ahvaz: Wooden Castle
- Kermanshah: Castle
- Hamadan: Large Town
- Shiraz: Large Town
- Firuzabad: Town
- Kerman: Town
UNITS
Code:
Turkoman light archers
Turkoman light macemen
Turkoman light close bow horse archers
Turkoman light regular bow horse archers
Turkoman light cavalry
Turkoman medium dismounted archers
Turkoman medium close bow horse archers
Turkoman medium regular bow horse archers
Turkoman heavy macemen
Turkoman heavy archers
Turkoman heavy horse archers
Azerbaijani swordsmen
Azerbaijani spearmen
Azerbaijani swordsmen heavy cavalry
UNIT ideas
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Castle barracks
Heavy Turkoman:
Turcoman Horseman (3)
Armed with Mace.
Castle Range
Turkoman archer: Same look as mounted Light Turkomans.
Dismounted heavy turkoman archer:
Turcoman Horseman (3)
Dismounted Elite archer cavalry: Use Ghulam Archer?
Stables
Heavy Turkoman
Turcoman Horseman (3)
Junior (Medum) Ghulam:
The Fellow in Blue and Yellow. Note however the presence of mail beneath the blue guy's dress. The mail should be visible on the upper chest area near the neck, and down to his knees. it should not extend towards the hands, let it stay at the bicep. Also the hat is silly, away with it!
They can be more well armored if you'd like. It just read "Second-rate or Junior ghulams wore broad-sleeved, probably quilted, hauberks and rode horses with felt bards.". We'd not give them felt bards, that'd be for the Senior Ghulams. I throw in either lamellar or mail because simply cloth seems too little.
This is a great unit for the Junior Ghulams.
Alright. If there's any one of these that would work. This is a -great- one. Has the broad sleeves, the mail coif and helmet, and one would presume mail beneath his tunic. Of all these, This one, and the one above it, are great. The Blue is good too. I'd take elements of the blue (The mail being visible at the bicep, hanging down beneath the cloth at the knees and in between the legs) for this one above, because we don't know how it looks up front.
This guy could work as either a Heavy Ghulam or a Medium Ghulam. His hat is a little silly, but the look of his outfit is good. He can work as either of them.
Ghulam (Heavy) Lancers:
The Ghulam, the (3) guy on the right. The Horse archer could be a Ghulam Archer, or a Junior Ghulam, or a Medium Turkoman.
Felt or Cloth Horse armor. Will find some examples later
Ghulam Archers:
I'd also suggest Felt or cloth horse armor.
Roster development
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City barracks 1 - Levy ME AoR light spearmen - DONE
City barracks 2 - Levy ME AoR light archer - DONE
City barracks 3 - Levy ME AoR spearmen - DONE
City barracks 4 - Levy ME AoR axemen - DONE
City barracks 5 - Levy ME AoR archers - DONE
I had a thought that perhaps the russian furred hat, or the cloth-wrapped-around-metal-helmet of light/heavy middle eastern mail could be skinned into looking like this guy's headdress.
Ghazi light cavalry as they were lords nomadic tribes who alweys had very limited Armour. only cavalry
Ghulams . heave cavalry only
Akhi dismounted troops {infantry}
Rind or Runud city population. armed cityzens with knife and smaler swords.
Adarbadaganian(AzerbaijanIan) infantry. mostly inhabitants of moderen day south Azerbaijan or north Iran . they were alweys against Georgians to recapture region of Shirvan(capital city shamakha).
about Adarbadaganian(AzerbaijanIan) see the info below, in my next post
Locally
this Adarbadaganian Seljuq possessions were ruled by Atabegs, who were technically vassals of the Seljuq sultans, but sometimes became de-facto rulers themselves. The title of Atabeg was common during the Seljuq rule of the Middle East starting in the 12th century. The most famous of the Atabeg rulers was Shams al-din Ildegiz.
we can also use some
Syrian camel archers and dismounted troops {infantry} of syrians . mostly
useful against Armenians and Crusaders
and we mey add some other historicty accurate
unites but lets do it for next time
respect to all
Last edited by JERUSALEM; March 25, 2007 at 10:08 AM.
Rulers of Seljuk Dynasty 1037-1157
Tugrul I (Tugrul Beg) 1037-1063
Alp Arslan bin Chaghri 1063-1072
Jalal ad-Dawlah Malik Shah I 1072-1092
Nasir ad-Din Mahmud I 1092-1093
Rukn ad-Din Barkiyaruq 1093-1104
Mu'izz ad-Din Malik Shah II 1105
Ghiyath ad-Din Muhammad/Mehmed I Tapar 1105-1118
Mahmud II 1118-1131
Mu'izz ad-Din Ahmed Sanjar 1131-1157
ruler of qerman
Qawurd 1041-1073
Kerman Shah 1073-1074
Sultan Shah 1074-1075
Hussain Omar 1075-1084
Turan Shah I 1084-1096
Iran Shah 1096-1101
Arslan Shah I 1101-1142
Mehmed I (Muhammad) 1142-1156
Toğrül Shah 1156-1169
Bahram Shah 1169-1174
Arslan Shah II 1174-1176
Turan Shah II 1176-1183
Mehmed II (Muhammad) 1183-1187
for Artuqid dynasty
Sokman
Ilghazi
Balak
davud
Kara Aslan
kara mola
kara Ghiaz
and many other
Atabeg
as they were sometimes real rulers of seljuk state
here are some names of them
Shams ad-Din Ildeniz
Muhammed Djakhan Pekhlevan
Qizil Arslan
Abu Bakr
Amir Mirvan
Qutluq Inandj
Atabek Uzbek
now some history of powerful dynasty of Great Atabeg's Ildegiz of AzerbaijanIn and Iran.
in the Near East they ruled seljuk empire from 1156 to the end of this state ; and In 1191 Togrul III, the last Selchuk ruler was overthrown by Qizil Arslan of Ildeniz and they were Ildenizs who changed Great Seljuks in persia and near east . and our mod starts from the middle of 12(XII)centure so we need to know who ruled Great Seljuks at this time which is very interesting for us . and those real rulers of Great Seljuks were Atabegs of seljuk sultanate as they ruled Seljuk sultanate together with sultans or entirely by their own will
see info below:
Atabeg State rose from the ashes of the vast Seljuk Empire in the beginning of the 12th century. It was founded in 1136 when sultan Mas’ud appointed Shamseddin Eldeqiz to be a tutor of Arslan-shakh, the juvenile successor of the throne, and transferred Arran to his possession as “igta”. Shamseddin Eldeqiz chose Barda as his residence. In Barda he attracted local emirs to his camp.
Shams ad-Din Ildeniz became the ruler of the remainder of the north Iran and South Caucasus of the Seljuk empire. He was taking every measure to consolidate the power of his own anointed, but powerless sultan. The word “Azam” (Azam stands for Great) was added to the title of Azerbaijani Atabeg's. All of the State’s subsequent rulers used to hold this title. During his reign, Ildeniz, according to the evidence of medieval historians, e.g. Sadraddin al-Husseini, could subdue a spacious territory between the Caucasus and Persian Gulf. The territory belonging to him “stretched from the gate of Tiflis up to Mekran. He had possessed Azerbaijan (Iran), Arran, Djibal, Hamedan, Gilan, Mazandaran, Isfahan and Rei”. The Atabeks of Mosul, Kerman and Fars as well as the feudalists of , Khuzestan, Hilat, Arzan-ar-Rhum and Maraga became his liegemen.
Georgia, whose army was strengthened by 40,000 Kipchak and reformd georgian army under Emperor Davit the restorer (1089-1125) warriors, was the strongest antagonist of the Shamseddin Eldeniz. In 1138 Demetre I, the Emperor of Georgia, attacked Ganja. When leaving the city his troops carried off the well-known iron gate of Ganja as their trophy, which is today on display in Gori. From 1161 onwards they began to make plundering raids on Ani, Dvin, Ganja, Nakhchivan and other regions controlled by Atabeks. Eldeniz formed a union with other Seljukis in the beginning of 1160s to fight against the Georgians. In 1163 the allies inflicted a defeat on Emperor George III. In response to this defeat the czar of Georgia occupied Ganja in 1165. Georgians took several fields in Azerbaijan and they could reach such faraway cities as Nakhchivan and Beylakan. As a rule, Georgians used to be paid their tribute and then they left. In 1173 Atabek Shamseddin Eldeniz began his big campaign against Georgia but he was defeated. Atabek’s troops retreated and Shamseddin Eldeniz died in 1174 in Nakhchivan
His son, Muhammed Djakhan Pekhlevan (1174-1186) succeeded the power. He transferred his capital from Nakhchivan to Hamedan. He made his younger brother, Qizil Arslan, the ruler of Azerbaijan. In 1174 Qizil Arslan captured Tabriz and placed his residence there. Subsequently, this city became the capital of the Atabek State.
Muhammed Djakhan Pekhlevan suppressed all the rebellious emirs and appointed mamluks who were faithful to him to all the key positions. He apportioned each of them any region or town as the feudal possession called “igta”. Twelve years of his rule are considered the most peaceful period of the State’s existence. Under his reign the central power was strengthened and no foreign enemy invaded the territory belonging to Atabeks. Friendly relations with Khorezmshakhs, the rulers of Central Asia, were founded. All those facts had positive influence on the development of science, handicraft, trade and arts
After Muhammed Djakhan Pekhlevan’s death his brother Qizil Arslan (1186-1191) ascended the throne. He continued successful struggle against the last Selchuk rulers. At the same time central power began to get weaker as mamluks who had strengthened their power in their allotments did not want to obey the Sultan. Even Shirvanshakh Akhsitan who used to be Atabeks’ liegeman decided to benefit from the weakening of the Atabek’s power and invaded his territories in 1186. But he was defeated. His troops had to flee in pursuit of Atabek’s army. They reached Baku. At the same time Qizil Arslan occupied all the land of Shirvan lying between Shamakha and Derbent. In 1191 Togrul III, the last Selchuk ruler was overthrown by Qizil Arslan. Then, by Khalif’s leave, he proclaimed himself a Sultan. Same year Qizil Arslan who had become the individual ruler of the Great Selchuk Empire was assassinated.
The power was divided among his three sons: Abu Bakr, Qutluq Inandj and Amir Amiran. Abu Bakr governed Azerbaijan and Arran, and his brothers were the rulers of Khorasan and several neighboring regions. Soon, these three successors began to fight for the throne. And Abu Bakr was the one to win this war. But the State’s defense capability was stricken. Khorezmshakhs’ and Georgians’ non-stopping forays aggravated the situation in the country and speeded up its decay.
This process was speeded up during the reign of Atabek Uzbek (1210-1225) who was enthroned after Abu Bakr’s death. That’s when Hassan Djalal Mikhranid (1215-1262) began his separative activities. This had shaken the fundamentals of the weakened State, and it could be invaded by the troops of Georgian Empress Tamara. The troops occupied several Azerbaijani towns but they had to return to Georgia as they were informed of queens death in 1210 18 january according to ibn Al-Athir muslim world was saved from the greatest danger as Georgians reached even the position of Khorasan never invaded before by any Christian Army.
The Atabek State fell in 1225 when it was included into Khwarazmian sultanate and when into the Great Mongol Empire created by Chingiz khan(Temuchin).
respect
Last edited by JERUSALEM; March 28, 2007 at 12:02 PM.
Would make for an interesting unit, armed only with sword on horseback. I wouldn't feature too much horse armor despite what it says, since such was likely to remain rare. Could also feature this as a dismounted troop?
Just updating. I'll quote the actual text later, but I read that the Seljuk armies generally had two 'types' of troops. Their small, professional, standing army, which was the askar (I think is the term), and the levy/mercenary/ectera turkomen tribesmen. The Askar were said to fight in a more traditional middle eastern manner (Volley-fire, that is), while the turkomen fought in the old fashioned turkish manner. Shooting Circles, strong mobility, and so forth.
FACTION: The Great Seljuks
Turkoman light macemen
Turkoman light close bow horse archers
Turkoman light regular bow horse archers
Turkoman light cavalry
Turkoman medium dismounted archers
Turkoman medium close bow horse archers
Turkoman medium regular bow horse archers
Turkoman heavy macemen
Turkoman heavy archers
Turkoman heavy horse archers
Azerbaijani swordsmen
Azerbaijani spearmen
Azerbaijani swordsmen heavy cavalry
Originally Posted by JERUSALEM
