FACTION: The Ghorid Sultanate

[Miraj]

DESCRIPTION

UNITS

Mosque

Mosque Tier 1 - Ghazi Fanatics



Mosque Tier 2 - Ghazi Warriors




Mosque Tier 3 - Ghazi Heavy Axemen [May need a more Jihadic name]

Barracks

• Barracks level 1 - Pashtun Tribesmen
  

• Barracks level 2 - Laskhar warriors
  

• Barracks Tier 3: Pashtun Tribal Nobles
  

• Slave Trade Tier 4 [Possibly Barracks tier 5 too]: Dismounted Jihad Ghulams
  

Archery Range

• Archery Range level 1 - Eastern Light Turkoman Foot
  

• Archery Range level 1 - Eastern Turkoman Javelinmen
  

• Archery Range level 3 - Khalaj Turkoman Foot Archers
  

• Archery Range level 3 - Laskhar Guerillas
  

Stables

• Stables Tier 1: Eastern Turkoman Horse Archers
  

• Stables Tier 1: Eastern Skirmisher Turkomans
  

• Stables Tier 2: Pashtun Horsemen
  

• Stables Tier 2: Tajik Horsemen
  Armed with Spear and mace. Not couched?

• Stables Tier 3: Armored Eastern Turkomans - Khalaj Turkomans.
  

• Stables Tier 4: Pashtun Tribal Nobles
  
  

• Stables Tier 5 & Slave Trade Tier 3: Heavy Ghulam Lancers

• General's Bodyguard & Slave Trade Tier 4: Jihad Ghulams

Skins by Strelac [Heavy Ghulam & Jihad Ghulam] & AlphaDelta [All Non Ghulams]

SYMBOL AND BANNERS

NAMES

[drowsiman555]

ok well... if theres some ahistorical leniency here then this should be fine. if not, its only a suggestion. the website i got this from said these were persian paintings, but i saw that there was already an good idea for the khwars, and these kinda have a more eastern look i think, so i figured this would be the next best place to go. i also noticed that this thread was completely empty, so i guess ill see what all i can dig up about these guys. these paintings may give some insight for some units, banners, and whatever else you can find in them.









let me know if these help in any way, cause there are like 300 of them.

ive also noticed that the easternmost islamic cultures and india focus a lot of their artwork on plants, flowers, and animals, so maybe those could be used on banners or shields or something. im not too sure how intiminating that would come across on the battelfield though.

examples here
http://www.int-review.org/afghan.html

[PartyElite]

the influence for the Delhi Sultanat can be taken from Persia / afghanistan since that's where ethere guys came from.
Now there are two indian factions:
one is hindu, which can very much have animals and flowers etc. on their banners, but the faction we're dealing with generally looks upto the sun for smbols etc.
The Delhi Sultanat is muslim, so i don't know how they'd feel about "recreating god's work" on a piece of cloth, what with it being "illegal" and all. But then again, im not 100 % sure of banners and symbols employed by muslim peoples, so i can't tell with 100% sureity.... but i can tell u that the muslims who came to india broke many sculptures and paintings and stuff cuz the depiciton of 'god's work' is not allowed by Al Quran.

cheers
- indian_boy

[Miraj]

the influence for the Delhi Sultanat can be taken from Persia / afghanistan since that's where ethere guys came from.
Now there are two indian factions:
one is hindu, which can very much have animals and flowers etc. on their banners, but the faction we're dealing with generally looks upto the sun for smbols etc.
The Delhi Sultanat is muslim, so i don't know how they'd feel about "recreating god's work" on a piece of cloth, what with it being "illegal" and all. But then again, im not 100 % sure of banners and symbols employed by muslim peoples, so i can't tell with 100% sureity.... but i can tell u that the muslims who came to india broke many sculptures and paintings and stuff cuz the depiciton of 'god's work' is not allowed by Al Quran.

cheers
- indian_boy

The Delhi Sultanate represents the Muslim kingdoms that were established in north india by various afghan, turkish and persian warlords and leaders.

The border between what is Indian and what is Persian was blurred during this era and there was plenty of cross cultural exchanges.

Muslim kingdoms in both Persia and India were actually quite liberal and regularly employed imagery of nature and animals. Don't ask me there are picture right above you that prove this.

Muslim warlords that invaded India and destroyed Hindu temples were more interested in loot and plunder than anything to do with religious iconoclasm.

Finally: Lets please stay out of this ideologically charged topic which I know many Hindus (and Pakistanis) feel quite strongly about. Lets just stick to the discussion of the game's units and such.


As far as my vision of this faction is concerned I intend them to be a hybrid of Indian units and Ghazni units. So we will first figure out Ghazni and Rajputs skins and then we'll mix and match to make the Sultanate of Delhi.

[drowsiman555]

indian_boy,

well, im not entirely sure either, but i think most of the caliphates represented themselves simply with solid colors. the turks brought the crescent and star with them to the middle east.

also... several of those battle scenes are supposed to be with the timurids, so they may help there as well

as for hindu india, i couldnt find hardly any pics of anything except paintings similar to these but limited to the gods and goddesses and some daily life stuff, so i really dont know. im assuming youll be a lot more help there than me

[Miraj]

I forgot to thank you for those awsome pics, they are very nice and detailed drowsiman.


And here's how to properly attach a sig:






Just copy and paste the above into your sig.

[Ermeni]

the turks brought the crescent and star with them to the middle east.

edit: (sorry for this stupid comment it was made in a frustrated state)

[Qarama]

the turks brought nothing to the middle east but war and destrcution

the crescent is a roman symbol.....I'll try to find some sources...

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yeah sure... the Armenians are angels you never killed innocent Turks and Azeris. The Armenians had more rights during the Ottoman period then they had in Byzantines times. I have the feeling that Armenians only live to make probaganda against Turks.

Sorry for beeing offtop.

Have you ever seen Gokturk coins? they have also a crescent and a star on them.

[Miraj]

@Ermeni
I'm really surprised you would resort to such comments over such a trifling issue. Can we lay off it? The crescent is a symbol of many cultures. And the Turks are a wonderful people, as are the Armenians.
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@ALPHADELTA
Here are some points that I think you're confused on:

- Ghulams are NOT mercenaries. In fact they are the opposite. Like I've said before they are like the mailed knight of the east. Like Europe has mailed knights, feudal knights, chivalric knights - in the east its varying levels of ghulams. They will be recruited from castle stables only and never mercs.
- Turkoman Cav and Turkoman HA are also not mercenaries. They will be a standard low level castle unit (for the Seljuk's racetrack ability). They will be recruitable by the Seljuks, Khwarezm, Ghorid/Ghazni. They will be recruitable from early level castle stables of course the yield and costs will vary.
- The Daylami are a castle unit that will be the main infantry for the Khwarezm. The Khwarezm will probably have two or three types. Daylami Infantry (heavy javelinmen/hastati-style), Daylami Heavy Infantry (heavy axe, big shield, high level unit). These are both castle units. The daylami inf can also double up as a merc available in places like Baghdad and Egypt.

- The Woodsmen model was mentioned because they have a very afghan look. A recoloring of the blonde ones, removal of the pointy hats, and a nice tan will make them perfect for various Afghan tribesmen units available to the Ghorids/Ghazni.

- There will be a new AOR in between persia and india. The ME AORs you did are fine for the Iranian region too. The new "Afghan AOR" will just use new Woodsmen models.

I gtg soon, I will explain everything in detail later.

[CelticPagan]

yeah sure... the Armenians are angels you never killed innocent Turks and Azeris. The Armenians had more rights during the Ottoman period then they had in Byzantines times. I have the feeling that Armenians only live to make [propaganda] against Turks.

Please do not make ethnic attacks on our boards. We'd appreciate only polite discourse here. Thanks!

Broken Crescent is a Mod designed for enjoyment of all.

I'll now fall off my soapbox and let you all resume your on topic discussions

[Qarama]

Please do not make ethnic attacks on our boards. We'd appreciate only polite discourse here. Thanks!

Broken Crescent is a Mod designed for enjoyment of all.

I'll now fall off my soapbox and let you all resume your on topic discussions

sorry for beeing offtopic again but i hope that what you have written also counts to Ermeni and not only for me.

[Ermeni]

the turks brought the crescent and star with them to the middle east.

edit: (sorry for this stupid comment it was made in a frustrated state)

and sorry for the double post

[PartyElite]

hey hey, nice sig.

as i said, i'm not entirely sure on the topic of muslims and their banners. Guess i was wrong in this case. I'll accept that. By the way, one thing that symbolises the Delhi Sultanat is the Qutub Minar in New Delhi. It is the tallest minar (in india for sure, not sure about the world) and yes, it is part of a mosque... Constructed by Qutub Ud-din Aibak.. not sure of whole details, i haven't been there in ages!
uhh lets see... the thing about "what is indian" and "what is persian" blurring together is absolutely correct. If im not mistaken, it was actually a persian thing to have what we call nach girls? (i may be wrong) Plus the ganja (a smoking device) is also very persian i believe? much more happened, of course... such as languages merging, the creation of Ghazal as a type of poem etc. list goes on...

oh and mirage (i find myself saying "don't take this the wrong way" alot ) but please don't refer to "us" as Hindus and Pakistanis.... its either hindus and muslims or indians and pakistanis (we're a secular country thank youz ). But im atheist, so don't worry about me getting all protective of any particular religion.

peace to all!
- indian_boy

PS: mirage, i forgot to ask. will the Sultanat's starting point be historically accurate or will u keep the rebel buffer states between them and the Rajput States. Cuz i realized it'd be more fun to take out a few rebels rather than start with lots of land

[Miraj]

PS: mirage, i forgot to ask. will the Sultanat's starting point be historically accurate or will u keep the rebel buffer states between them and the Rajput States. Cuz i realized it'd be more fun to take out a few rebels rather than start with lots of land

The Sultanate of Delhi will start with Delhi and maybe Lahore. But they'll start small. Rajputs will start near the Thar Desert with Ajmer and one or two other towns. There will be mostly rebel indian cities that Delhi and Rajputs will compete over.

Plus there will be a land block across the Thar desert so the Rajputs will be very safe and india can only be invaded via Delhi (or ships in the late era). So the Rajputs will have a very safe position in rich lands. Delhi will have many rebels to attack but will have to worry about Ghazni crossing the Khyber and the Seljuks too.

[drowsiman555]

principal Muslim sultanate in North India from the 13th to the 16th century. Its creation owed much to the campaigns of Muḥammad of Ghūr (brother of Sultan Ghiyā-ud-Dīn of Ghūr) and his lieutenant Quṭb-ud-Dīn Aybak between 1175 and 1206 and particularly to victories at the battles of Taraōrī in 1192 and Chandawar in 1194.

The Ghūrid soldiers of fortune in India did not sever their political connection with Ghūr untilSultan Iltutmish (reigned 1211–36) had made his permanent capital at Delhi, repulsed rival attempts to take over the Ghūrid conquests in India, and withdrawn his forces from contact with the Mongol armies, which by the 1220s had conquered Afghanistan. Iltutmish also gainedfirm control of the main urban strategic centres of the North Indian plain, from which he could keep in check the refractory Rājput chiefs. After Iltutmish's death, a decade of factional struggle was followed by nearly 40 years of stability under Ghiyā-ud-Dīn Balban, sultan in 1266–87. During this period Delhi remained on the defensive against the Mongols and undertook only holding actions against the Rājputs.

Under the sultans of the Khaljī dynasty (1290–1320), the Delhi sultanate became an imperial power. ʿAlāʾ-ud-Dīn (reigned 1296–1316) conquered Gujarāt (c. 1297) and the principal fortified places in Rājasthān (1301–12) and reduced to vassalage the principal Hindu kingdoms of southern India (1307–12). His forces also defeated serious Mongol onslaughts by the Chagatais of Transoxania (1297–1306).

Muḥammad ibn Tughluq (reigned 1325–51) attempted to set up a Muslim military, administrative, and cultural elite in the Deccan, with a second capital at Daulatābād, but the Deccan Muslim aristocracy threw off the overlordship of Delhi and set up (1347) the Bahmanī sultanate. Muḥammad's successor, Fīrūz Shāh Tughluq (reigned 1351–88), made no attempt to reconquer the Deccan.

The power of the Delhi sultanate in North India was shattered by the invasion (1398–99) of Timur, who sacked Delhi itself. Under the Sayyid dynasty (c. 1414–51) the sultanate was reduced to a country power continually contending on an equal footing with other petty Muslim and Hindu principalities. Under the Lodī (Afghan) dynasty (1451–1526), however, with large-scale immigration from Afghanistan, the Delhi sultanate partly recovered its hegemony, until the Mughal leader Bābur destroyed it at the First Battle of Pānīpat on April 21, 1526. After 15 years of Mughal rule, the Afghan Shēr Shāh Sūr reestablished the sultanate in Delhi, which fell again in 1555 to Bābur's son and successor, Humāyūn, who died in January 1556. At the Second Battle of Pānīpat (Nov. 5, 1556) Humāyūn's son Akbar definitively defeated the Hindu general Hemū, and the sultanate became submerged in the Mughal Empire.

The Delhi sultanate made no break with the political traditions of the later Hindu period, namely, that rulers sought paramountcy rather than sovereignty. It never reduced Hindu chiefs to unarmed impotence or established an exclusive claim to allegiance. The sultan was served by a heterogeneous elite of Turks, Afghans, Khaljīs, and Hindu converts; he readily accepted Hindu officials and Hindu vassals. Threatened for long periods with Mongol invasionfrom the northwest and hampered by indifferent communications, the Delhi sultans perforce left a large discretion to their local governors and officials.

[PartyElite]

i believe i pmmed u this too mirage? if not:

Delhi Sultanat
- The Delhi sultanat actually 'began' in 1206, and Delhi (_not_ New Delhi) beacme the capital of the delhi sultanat from 1211. Location is the same, just the name isn't 'new' delhi.
I States and capitals:
  1.Bengal [not on ur map, its the eastern most (and my) state]
  2. Indus valley, can be broken down as:
     - Sindh   -- Capital would be Karahi
     - Punjab -- Capital would be Lahore
     - Indus valley (cuz its not _as_ important as the other 2) not sure  
        about the capital
II. Major events:
   1. 1241 - mongols sacked Lahore. Then. mongol attacks became annual.
   2. 1266 - 1286, emperor Balaban retook Lahore, but he couldn't take more of norhtern india back
   3. 1303 - Delhi was put under a 2 month seige by the mongols who had penetrated Punjab (1296 - 1300)
   4. The Khokhars in western Punjab were hindu rebels who caused trouble for the Sultanat after gaining autonomy in (not sure of date).
   5. 1299 - Took over Gujarat
   6. 1301 - 1311 "" Ranthambor, Chitor, Sevana, Jalor (in Rajasthan)
   7. 1327 - Capital became Devgiri (renamed Daulatabad) but that's in the Deccan plateau, not on ur map.
   8. An expedition into Afghanistan was planned affter Peshawar was taken over. But the massive army got decimated in the Himalayas. To pay upkeep, taxes went up up up, and so uprisings became common.
   9. The disintegration of the sultanat began soon after, ending in 1526, when the Ruler of Kabul met the Mughal attack at Panipat and was defeated / killed.
[map of pakistan]

ill upload a more relevant map when i get the chance.

[PartyElite]

hey there. been looking through some books on indian history, so got lots of names and stuff. By the way, could u script the fact that mongols don't attack india until 1241 AD? just a thought.

Alrighty:
NAMES LIST

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Male Names:
Qutb-ud-din Aibak
Qutb-ud-din Iltutmish
Aram
Nasir-ud-din Mahmu
Rukn-ud-din Firuz
Mu'iz-ud-din Bahram
Ala-ud-din Ma'sud
Ghiyas-ud-din Balban

Female Names:
Raziyya (she even ruled for one time period, but queens aren't allowed?)

Surames:

okay, im actually a bit confused. U see, "-ud-din" has a meaning, such as Rising Sun or something (not sure). So i dunno what would be first name and last name when it comes to a name like ___-ud-din _____. I guess the various " {blank}-ud-din"s could be made into first names while the names after the -ud-din could be the last names? i hope u can understand what i'm saying?

cheers
- indian_boy

[Miraj]

UPDATE: This Delhi Sultanate has been changed to the "The Ghorid Sultanate". The research you guys did still applies since this faction was a simply a predecesor of the Delhi.


They will begin in Afghanistan north of Ghazni and will 'invade' India. Most of India will be rebel except for the Rajputs.

[CelticPagan]

Wars of the Delhi Sultanate

Article abstract: At issue: Hegemony in India. Result: Muslim dominion established.
Background

The Delhi sultanate emerged from the collapse of the Ghorid sultanate (c. 1000-1215), with its heartland in the mountainous regions of central Afghanistan. Following the demise of the last Ghorid sultans, their provincial commanders proclaimed their independence in Ghazni, Punjab, Sind, and Bengal in fierce competition with each other. In Delhi, Qutbuddin Aibak (d. 1210) overcame most of his competitors and inaugurated an independent north Indian sultanate.
Action

During the thirteenth century, the Delhi sultanate extended from Sind to Bengal, with its southern frontier stretching from the middle reaches of the Chambal to the mouth of the Ganges. Its sultans were known as Mamlūks, or slave-kings, because several were originally Turkish military slaves.
A predatory state formed by conquest, the thirteenth century Delhi sultanate faced ubiquitous foes in the Hindu Rājput states, which sought to throw off their conqueror’s yoke. The Rājputs were stalwart fighters, but with their chivalric warriors’ code of individual heroism in battle, they were no match for their Muslim opponents, Central Asian Turkish Mamlūks who were highly trained and disciplined mounted archers. The Muslim field commanders, however, were a restless and turbulent elite who forced the sultanate to expend much energy in putting down frequent internal rebellions. For example, no fewer than five of the successors of Shams al-Dīn Iltutmish (r. 1211-1236), the real architect of the sultanate, perished in such disturbances.
A recurring danger to the sultanate began in 1221, when the Mongol forces of Genghis Khan approached the Indus. Thereafter, almost annually, Mongol raiders crossed the river into Panjab, even capturing Lahore in 1241. The armies of Iltutmish and Ghiyās al-Dīn Balban (r. 1266-1287), in particular, beat them back, and in so doing saved both the newly established north Indian Muslim state and Hindu civilization itself from Mongol devastation. Delhi provided sanctuary for streams of central Asian refugees fleeing the Mongols, among them fugitive soldiers who boosted the numbers of the sultan’s free-born troops vis-á-vis his unruly Mamlūks.
During the fourteenth century, the emphasis changed. The Mongol threat petered out, and sultans such as ʿAlā al-Dīn Muhammad Khaljī (r. 1296-1316) and Muhammad ibn Tughluq (r. 1325-1351) campaigned strenuously in the Deccan and the far south. After conquering Gujerat (1297) and Malwa (1305), ʿAlā al-Dīn overthrew in quick succession the Deccani kingdoms of Devagiri (1306-1307) and Warangal (1308), the Hoysalas of Mysore (1310), and the Pāndyas of Madura (1311). His victorious armies returned to Delhi with inestimable plunder. Hardly less energetic was Muhammad ibn Tughluq, although contemporary accounts confuse the chronology and even the locations of some of his campaigns.
The Khaljī and Tughluq armies were far larger than those of the Mamlūk sultans and were differently constituted. The supply of Turkish slave-boys from Central Asia who in the past had been trained for Mamlūk service and made up the bulk of the army, was drying up because of the incorporation of all Central Asia into Genghis Khan’s empire and also because of the steady conversion to Islam of the Central Asian population. (Islamic Law forbade the enslavement of Muslims.) The first Khaljī sultan had experimented with hiring Mongol deserters, who were nominally Muslims, but these proved too unruly and ʿAlā al-Dīn ordered a general massacre of them—supposedly, 20,000-30,000 in a single day. ʿAlā al-Dīn himself recruited foreign Muslims, native-born converts, and even Hindus, for all of whom he promulgated elaborate regulations concerning pay, weapons, and cavalry mounts. Muhammad ibn Tughluq once again recruited Mongol fugitives as well as various tribal groups from the Afghan highlands. This enormous military establishment was to prove utterly ineffective in the face of Tamerlane’s forces, which invaded northern India and sacked Delhi in 1398- 1399.
During the fifteenth century, the Delhi sultanate dwindled in size and power, as more regions rebelled and independent sultanates emerged. The rulers of Delhi faced aggressive neighboring sultanates in Malwa and Jaunpur, as well as the resurgence of Rājput military power, the consequence of the disintegration of the former unitary Muslim state. Between 1414 and 1451, the rulers of Delhi did not even presume to take the title of sultan.
A further development was the infiltration into northern India of Afghan tribesmen who settled in Punjab and around Delhi, as well as in Malwa and Bengal, where they eventually established their own ruling dynasties. The Afghans were fine fighters but were accustomed to regarding their leaders as simply the first among equals in their jirgas, or tribal assemblies, and resented the centralizing absolutism characteristic of Indo-Muslim rulers. Even the powerful Afghan sultan, Sikandar Lodī (r. 1489-1517), found them hard to control, and they resisted the autocratic pretensions of his son, Ibrāhīm (r. 1517-1526), thus contributing to the latter’s defeat by the Mogul Bābur at Pānīpat (1526), where Mogul artillery may have also contributed to the outcome.
Aftermath

The Delhi sultanate laid the foundations for the Muslim domination of India, which culminated during the reigns of the first six Mogul rulers (1526-1707). It thus contributed to the shaping of later Indo-Islamic civilization and of modern-day Muslim communities in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
Further Reading:

Digby, S. War-horse and Elephant in the Delhi Sultanate. Oxford: Orient Monographs, 1971.
Jackson, P. The Delhi Sultanate. Cambridge, London: Cambridge University Press, 1999.
Kolff, D. H. A. Naukar, Rājput, and Sepoy. Cambridge, London: Cambridge University Press, 1990.
Wink, A. Al-Hind. Vol. 2. Leiden: Brill, 1997.

[JERUSALEM]

Digby, S. War-horse and Elephant in the Delhi Sultanate. Oxford: Orient Monographs, 1971.
Jackson, P. The Delhi Sultanate. Cambridge, London: Cambridge University Press, 1999.
Kolff, D. H. A. Naukar, Rājput, and Sepoy. Cambridge, London: Cambridge University Press, 1990.
Wink, A. Al-Hind. Vol. 2. Leiden: Brill, 1997.


cool books i willl check them
Delhi Sultanate mu7st be fun

respect