FACTION: The Kingdom of Georgia

[Drtad]

Georgia has a pretty tough start position and lacks gunpowder I believe.

[Ahiga]

We'll find a niche for Georgia to Fill. As with others they won't be nerfed for the sake of nerfing, nor will they be allowed to be all-powerful without any flaw. Of course the one thing we have done is not gone for those jarring polarizations in a roster that Vanilla RTW did with parthia or Numidia. In most cases, every faction has some sort of unit in every category: Most of the time you won't see a faction with no sort of heavy infantry, or no sort of light cavalry. There are exceptions (Ghorid's lack any sort of spearmen, Armenia I think lacks horse archers in their native roster) but they are the exception and not the rule.

So with Georgia, although their roster does show having good looking units in every category, stats will help make it so they do not dominate in every spot. For instance, while their cavalry will be good, they will not have the Byzantine/Khwarezm/Azeri Superheavy Cavalry, they will not have the awesome charge the Crusader Knights have, they will not have the top-notch horse archery of the Seljuks or the Rum Turks. However, they will have good heavy cavalry, they will have good but not the best charges, and they will have good but not the best horse archers. Kind of a Jack of all Trades, master of none in that area.

My opinion, not fact, is that code or stat wise, Georgia's strength will be in their heavy infantry and heavy cavalry. We could make their ranged infantry (save perhaps the first tier) into a hybrid kind of unit - better armor and melee skills at the cost of archery skills, so in comparison, Persian Foot archers (Tier 3 Khwarezm) would have better archery skills, but Georgian Tier 3 would have better armor and melee skills.

They will be fun to play and a very good kingdom to face, without having them be overly powerful. :original: Already they are quite strong, and gave me quite a headache as the Abbasids.

[Tadzreuli]

yes, Georgians weakness are gunpowers, but speed and crushed impact of cavalry is better, then slowly gunpowers .

[Miraj]

Well. We haven't modded in gunpowder unit yet. We will probably keep it standard accross the board. Perhaps unique gunners here and there. I'm thinking a unique "Khevsur Gunner" would be a good idea.

And Georgia's position is actually pretty fantastic. They only border the peripheries of other empires not their cores. The Seljuks will disintegrate, the Byz are busy with the turks and armenians and the Turks busy with the others. Most campaign runs show them to establish a pretty strong state most of the time.

[Tadzreuli]

"Khevsur Gunner"

yes, Khevsurs Gunners was well knows in history, here is photos of late (XVI_XVIII_XIX c.) period Khevsurs with gunns:

[John I Tzimisces]

yes, Khevsurs Gunners was well knows in history, here is photos of late (XVI_XVIII_XIX c.) period Khevsurs with gunns:

With those buckler like shields, they resemble scottish warriors almost...I believe scottish troops used shields similar to that up until the 1700s! (Until the highlanders were finally crushed in a final jacobite attempt to take over england...could have succeeded had the english jacobites actually participated...)

[Miraj]

The Georgians are in the same league as the Abbasids. A very combined arms technique. They've got the good in every department and some espeically strong noble infantry.

[Tadzreuli]

so, Khesvurs are mountaineers too , as well as Scots

They will be fun to play and a very good kingdom to face, without having them be overly powerful. Already they are quite strong, and gave me quite a headache as the Abbasids.

And how you play game, just test? and it is possible for me to test too?

[Miraj]

and it is possible for me to test too?

No. Not until we release a beta.

[AlphaDelta]

Compared to factions that can recruit turkomans, daylamis and other ethnically grouped troops, Georgia has a small recruitment zone. This means you won't be able to recruit Georgian troops far from their homelands, forcing you to make use of poor quality levies. This will make expansion very difficult.

Also while the georgian roster is decent all round with excellent infantry and good mellee cav, you'll find that you come up against nimble horse archers from the Kypchaks, Turks and Seljuks.

[IrAr]

Yes, the Georgians will have to stick to fighting in Mountain passes, bridge crossings and other places in which the more agile enemies can be pinned against terrain. It will be very interesting playing this way. Their roster will also make sure that when being controlled by the AI Georgia will survive, if only in the Caucasus.

[Tadzreuli]

I think, that for Georgian elit soldiers it is necessary to lift charges, becouse historically Georgians always were exellent soldiers and if not their fanatical feeling vanity, and also love to homeland and to CHristianity, Georgians today were not on light.

Georgians it is frequent won by small number of the soldier against numerous Muslim hordes, in it it helped certainly and landscape and certainly skill to be at war up to last soldier.

Christianity meant for the Georgian much, becouse in Georgia it is a lot of saints martyrs among kings, among the nobility and among simple people. For example in 1126 ad, when Jalal Ed' Din has taken Tbilisi, one of rich and numerous cities of the near east (as Muslim, Georgian and Armenian historians of that time speak), it has decreased 100 000 (!) citycens, only from that , Georgians have refused to come legs on an icon over the Mother of god.

[CelticPagan]

I know the Georgian (and Armenian) units are done, but I came across this pic and thought it was good.

[AlphaDelta]

Yes number 2 looks like a Turkoman. We spotted this a while ago. Perhaps Tadzreuli has some idea what unit it is?

[Drtad]

Why is it always the Armenian guy that gets hit with the shovel?

That Georgian Horse archer looks pretty nice, as does that Cilician Infantryman.

[Tadzreuli]

Yes number 2 looks like a Turkoman. We spotted this a while ago. Perhaps Tadzreuli has some idea what unit it is?

many Europena historian sourses (cantor of holly sepulchure Anselius - 1108 ad, & French crusader knight, archibishop of Bezanson De' Tramle - 1210-1211 ad.) give fine description of Georgian horse archers,

the men on the pictures is tipical light Georgian horse archer !

and Armenian infantrymen is also correct and tipical , lets give it Armenian faction, will be great !

[Tadzreuli]

As you see, even in picture Georgians and Armenians, as always together are at war against the common enemy, though this "enemy" as that not so agressive, but On the contrary . . ..

[JERUSALEM]

AlphaDelta
is right he looks like a turkish warrior


as for georgia i really hope that they will have a good cavalry as they used to have it once .

[Tadzreuli]

here is very usefull pics about Khevsurs armor and equipments:

http://nukri.org/index.php?module=pn...pic&topic=6624

[Miraj]

@Tadzreuli

I want to add a new province in between Kutaisi and Tbilisi. Tell me which one will be the best. Thanks.