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    Default Great news! Water on Martian Polar Caps.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A spacecraft orbiting Mars has scanned huge deposits of water ice at its south pole so plentiful they would blanket the planet in 36 feet of water if they were liquid, scientists said on Thursday.
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    The scientists used a joint
    NASA-Italian Space Agency radar instrument on the European Space Agency Mars Express spacecraft to gauge the thickness and volume of ice deposits at the Martian south pole covering an area larger than Texas.

    The deposits, up to 2.3 miles thick, are under a polar cap of white frozen carbon dioxide and water, and appear to be composed of at least 90 percent frozen water, with dust mixed in, according to findings published in the journal Science.

    Scientists have known that water exists in frozen form at the Martian poles, but this research produced the most accurate measurements of just how much there is.

    They are eager to learn about the history of water on Mars because water is fundamental to the question of whether the planet has ever harbored microbial or some other life. Liquid water is a necessity for life as we know it.

    Characteristics like channels on the Martian surface strongly suggest the planet once was very wet, a contrast to its present arid, dusty condition.

    Jeffrey Plaut of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, who led the study, said the same techniques are being used to examine similar ice deposits at the Martian north pole.

    Radar observations made in late 2005 and early 2006 provided the data on the south pole, and similar observations were taken of the north pole in the past several months, Plaut said.

    Plaut, part of an international team of two dozen scientists, said a preliminary look at this data indicated the ice deposits in at the north pole are comparable to those at the south pole.

    SEARCH FOR LIFE

    "Life as we know it requires water and, in fact, at least transient liquid water for cells to survive and reproduce. So if we are expecting to find existing life on Mars we need to go to a location where water is available," Plaut said.

    "So the polar regions are naturally a target because we certainly know that there's plenty of H2O there."

    Some of the new information even hints at the possible existence of a thin layer of liquid water at the base of the deposits.

    But while images taken by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft made public in December suggested the presence of a small amount of liquid water on the surface, researchers are baffled about the fate of most of the water. The polar deposits contain most of the known water on Mars.

    Plaut said the amount of water in the Martian past may have been the equivalent of a global layer hundreds of meters deep, while the polar deposits represent a layer of perhaps tens of meters.

    "We have this continuing question facing us in studies of Mars, which is: where did all the water go?" Plaut said.

    "Even if you took the water in these two (polar) ice caps and added it all up, it's still not nearly enough to do all of the work that we've seen that the water has done across the surface of Mars in its history."

    Plaut said it appears perhaps 10 percent of the water that once existed on Mars is now trapped in these polar deposits. Other water may exist below the planet's surface or perhaps some was lost into space through the atmosphere, Plaut said.
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    From here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070315/ts_nm/mars_water_dc

    This is amazing news, think about colonies, which will be build in about 10-->20 years, they have so much water that they don't need to import any of it from Earth, plus, Micro-organisms can be found in that region of Mars.

    What are you're thoughts on this?
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    Colonies in 10-20 years. Ha. Surely not.

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    Default Re: Great news! Water on Martian Polar Caps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassy View Post
    Colonies in 10-20 years. Ha. Surely not.
    Certainly not. But one can dream..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassy View Post
    Colonies in 10-20 years. Ha. Surely not.
    Why not?
    Science in general has advanced far more in the past 10-20 years than in the previous 50-100 years. Not to mention that Mars seems to be the most logical "next step" in our space travels, it's a mere "walk" away from Earth, the ESA already has the Aurora Programme whose main aim is the manned exploration of Mars along with the american "Vision for Space Exploration" program.
    Colonies seem a reasonable outcome, full terraformisation... not so much.
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    Once somebody figures out a way to make money off of it, we'll be all over that *****.

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    Default Re: Great news! Water on Martian Polar Caps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome Huss View Post
    Once somebody figures out a way to make money off of it, we'll be all over that *****.
    damm straight

    Rather then use it for science and to further our race and the future blah blah

    It will be money and exploited resouces that get us there its Red because it's high in Iron ore think of all those weapons you can build YUM YUM

    but as i said by the time it happens i think we will be old (im 20)

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    Oh No! it will be like Total Recall all over again

    haha

    you can imagine it a new age of Colonism(bad spelling) and wars for rights over martian water and resources... humans never learn

    Glad ill be dead by then

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    Ok, I got confused between colonies in the Moon and Mars, what we will get in Mars in 10-20 years aren't fully functional colonies, but minor colonies, stations or camps.

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    I'm sure Evian and Perrier can't wait to exploit that nice business opportunity.
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    I have no idea about science in that regards, but if Space Oddysey and Star Trek are anything to go by with people's previous predictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassy View Post
    I have no idea about science in that regards, but if Space Oddysey and Star Trek are anything to go by with people's previous predictions.
    Well, Space Odyssey (I love Arthur C. Clark, btw) and Start Trek are works of fiction, not scientific theory or scientifically sound speculation.
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    The TV series Space: 1999 was probably the biggest offender. Moon Base Alpha my ass...
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    From http://www.marsnews.com/focus/mars/

    There is evidence that in the past a denser martian atmosphere may have warmed the planet enough to allow water to flow on the surface. Physical features closely resembling shorelines, gorges, riverbeds and islands suggest that great rivers once marked the planet. But Mars is a cold planet now; the average recorded temperature on Mars is -63� C (-81� F) with a maximum temperature of 20� C (68� F) and a minimum of -140� C (-220� F).
    Well yeah, average temperature -63 C (-81 F) ? With lowest temperatures reaching -140 C (220 F)? What are the Scientists going to do all winter? Stock up on food (wherever they get that from) and cower inside their houses because as soon as they go out they freeze to death?

    If you're thinking "We'll heck! We've been to Antarctica!" I can show you this, from http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/...ntarctica.html:
    The extreme temperatures at the permanently-manned South Pole station are -14 to -81�C, and at Vostok -21 to -89�C.
    An Antarctican winter is said to give you frost damage if you expose your skin. Still, an Martian winter doubles the negative temperature found in Antarctica.

    Not only that! Look! We've got more problems!

    http://www.marsnews.com/focus/mars/

    Atmosphere
    The atmosphere of Mars is quite different from that of Earth. It is composed primarily of carbon dioxide with very small amounts of other gases, such as nitrogen and oxygen.
    We can't breathe on this planet!

    Some people say we could always plant plants and turn the Carbon Dioxide into breathable oxygen. Hah! A joke if you ask me considering no plant will ever survive the Martian winter. I guess we could controll some plant growth in our space station's backyards every summer, but I have doubt they will grow because they won't receive the sunlight needed to perform their metabolism.

    But hey, for fun, let's say the plants could grow on Mars, now we face another problem. It's going to take some serious time to even change the atmosphere the slightest.

    So no, we won't be seeing colonies any time soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutsack View Post
    Some people say we could always plant plants and turn the Carbon Dioxide into breathable oxygen. Hah! A joke if you ask me considering no plant will ever survive the Martian winter.
    Right from the start, plants, no.
    The first steps would/will be oxygen-producing bacteria followed by UV resistant lichens and so forth. No one ever said it would be quick.

    Here's (for a change) a decent article on the subject:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming
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    @Markas - I have a soft spot for Space 1999 (season 1 - not season 2 which got rather silly). It was very good for 1974 and a small (by US standards) budget.

    If you can grit your teeth and accept a few scientific whoppers (necessary for the context of the series) you will see that the stories themselves are quite interesting.

    The cast are not brave adventurers into the beyond - they are nuclear waste dump operatives! The conceit of the travelling Moon allows each episode to be genuinely surprising - anything can happen, the cast may solve a problem, take, refuse or miss an opportunity to improve their lot, be saved by their own efforts or by the impersonal playing out of forces beyond their reach or understanding.

    I think it provides a good contrast to the American fascination with the Competant Man.

    @Manji - Don't forget that Arthur C Clarke is a writer of 'Hard' Science Fiction, so his stories generally are scientifically sound speculation.

    Back on topic...
    Starting to Terraform Mars would be the single most significant thing we could do in space this century. If you think it can't be done, try reading Kim Stanley Robinson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    @Markas - I have a soft spot for Space 1999 (season 1 - not season 2 which got rather silly). It was very good for 1974 and a small (by US standards) budget.

    If you can grit your teeth and accept a few scientific whoppers (necessary for the context of the series) you will see that the stories themselves are quite interesting.
    Hehe I'm not criticising Space:1999 I used to watch it avidly as I did all Gerry Anderson stuff! It's just I always used to think that in twenty years time we'd have 'Moon bases' and stuff (I was eight). Imagine my dissapointment on new years eve 1998 when it finally beacame clear it wasn't going to happen...

    Anyway, if Martin Landau and Barbara Bain couldn't handle it, nobody could!
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    Yes - it was such a sad anticlimactic time. The Apollo programme had been cut short (Apollo 17 in 1972) and it slowly became apparent that the main reason for the manned moon programme had been to beat the Russians.

    I was brought up on a diet of Science Fiction (books), and I fully expected humanity to spread out into the Solar System. Now I realise that it will be economics rather than adventure (or politics) that will drive us out into the universe.

    I still firmly believe it will happen... I just don't know if I will still be around to see any of it.

    PS. Don't forget Barry Morse showing us what a proper science officer should be like, and Jeff Tate - the Aussie action-man. It was a good ensemble cast.

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    Default Re: Great news! Water on Martian Polar Caps.

    What about in 100 years if we colonised Mars very well and a war breaks out between the 2 planets, that would be awesome (apart from the deaths)

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    Let's send this to the science forum.
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    Awesome! Now we can melt Mars' polar caps also!
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