NEW FACTION: Teirnas Gwynedd (WALES)

**Lord Condormanius** · March 14, 2007, 11:09 AM

EDIT

I am presently making a warband for Wales.

This is very early stage of development on this unit (i just threw it together). I am thinking that I will replace the mace with a small axe.

EDIT

General's Bodyguard (Teulu)

LC

**der Kaiser** · March 17, 2007, 12:02 AM

Hey...I have a name you need to add to the list.

Taran. (My name) Its Welsh, so no worries. Means Thunder.

**Lord Condormanius** · March 17, 2007, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by der Kaiser

Hey...I have a name you need to add to the list.

Taran. (My name) Its Welsh, so no worries. Means Thunder.

Yeah, I put my name in the Irish faction

. Just make sure you forward it to Lopus, since he is compiling the names.

LC

**der Kaiser** · March 20, 2007, 04:51 PM

Yay, you got the banner!

I had a little change of heart on the Welsh...

Since you are giving Carracks to Ireland, don't you think it is fair to give them to Wales also?

Another thing, I would change the name to just Cymru, as with several other factions. (Pisa, etc...) Just to make it a little simpler, while still giving that feel to it.

Another thing, I know you said you could upgrade all the units to plate, but I think it would be good to have at least some sort of plate armored unit that has plate from the start. Like Plate Spearman/Pikeman like the Scots.

Another thing, should add crossbowmen and mounted crossbowmen, along with feudal knights. (for at least some sort of decent knight...)

Good job on getting the avatars in there, though.

The gam e is about rewriting history, don't you think they would use plate as the ages progressed? I mean, if they weren't wiped out by the English, like what happened historically.

**Lord Condormanius** · March 20, 2007, 08:23 PM

I don't know about this. I never intended to make Wales very strong. In fact, my intent, if you recall, was that they be strong enough to withstand the English to a certain point. I never intended for them to compete. I'm not saying that I want them to be helpless, I'm just saying that I want to keep close to reality. that said, there is not one plated Irish unit, but there should be, historically. I'm trying to acheive historical balance, not fairness.

Let's talk about it in the Dev Forum.

LC

**der Kaiser** · March 29, 2007, 10:56 PM

Hm...I suppose "Garth Celyn" would be better.

**Lord Condormanius** · March 30, 2007, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by der Kaiser

Hm...I suppose "Garth Celyn" would be better.

I think you are right about this.

**WMS** · April 08, 2007, 03:53 AM

The teulu helms are too conical. personally i would design them starting with leather armor, a cloak, perhaps a coif of some sort, a long sword, a larger round shield, javelins, and a spear.

the welsh would have typically worn linen shirts and drawers, and would have covered these with a woolen cloak that hung down to their knees.

to have plate clad welsh units would be a huge historical inaccuracy for any period before c1200 i would say.. even mail was rare until the latter 10th-11th centuries, id keep the welsh light, fast, aggressive, skilled ambushers, and with good light infantry. spears, swords, and bows would be the most common weapons.

**Lord Condormanius** · April 08, 2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by WMS

The teulu helms are too conical. personally i would design them starting with leather armor, a cloak, perhaps a coif of some sort, a long sword, a larger round shield, javelins, and a spear.

This is true about the helmet and it is something we are working on. By this time, the Teulu wouls have been wearing chainmail.

Originally Posted by WMS

the welsh would have typically worn linen shirts and drawers, and would have covered these with a woolen cloak that hung down to their knees.

This is true of most units, but it is difficult to represent. bear in mind, these screens are a first attempt.

Originally Posted by WMS

to have plate clad welsh units would be a huge historical inaccuracy for any period before c1200 i would say.. even mail was rare until the latter 10th-11th centuries, id keep the welsh light, fast, aggressive, skilled ambushers, and with good light infantry. spears, swords, and bows would be the most common weapons.

There is not one plate armored Welsh unit on our mod...perhaps some could upgrade to plate late in the game, but there as of yet, there are none.

LC

**WMS** · April 08, 2007, 01:54 PM

im sorry, actually, im not even awarte of the time period of this mod, if it is c12-13 then the teulu could most definitely be in mail. Im a historical advisor for the celtic factions right now for WotN and its in an earlier period, mail would have become more common place in the late 11th to 13th centuries.