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    Does everyone really believe in the same god?

    if so, does the idea belond to something more ancient than the hebrews themselves?

    You hear this being said all the time, but i think most people have different ideas to one another. many people actually think god is a man and a creator, others think god is some undefinable entity more in line with more ancient concepts of original spirit.

    In many translations of ancient texts the term 'god' is used where they did not perhaps even have the idea - at least not in monotheistic terms. so what god did the ancient greeks believe in where the term is used?

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    The advocates of a pluralist theology of religions, of course, are well aware that the idea of Ultimate Reality as ineffable mystery is not new. In fact, they point to its ubiquity and antiquity as evidence of its deep roots in human experience and as grounds for its acceptance today. But here I think we come to a key question: the nameless, ineffable God has deep roots in human experience. But what experience is this? Or to put it another way, in whose behalf does the nameless, ineffable God reign? In fairness, we must say that the human spirit has been drawn to speak this way of God for many reasons, including awe and humility before the mystery of life. And yet we may at least ask whether the cult of the ineffable God owes at least some of its appeal to its political utility, especially for empires, which by their nature seek to unite many peoples, cultures, and religions under a single earthly authority. In the famous words of Edward Gibbon, in the age of the Caesars all modes of worship were "considered by the people equally true, by the philosophers equally false, and by the magistrates equally useful."
    We have already seen that ancient Egypt knew of the cult of the ineffable God. Yet it was Alexander the Great who, by conquering the whole eastern Mediterranean in a few short years, created the social and political conditions in which the cult of the nameless, ineffable God attained prominence in the Western world. According to the New Testament scholar James Dunn, the theology that underlay the policy of Alexander the Great and his Greek and Latin successors regarded the different religions as in the end only manifestations of the same deities.6 This theology allowed the victors to incorporate defeated nations by absorbing the local religions into the larger syncretistic whole of the empire. So, for example, the Greek God Zeus and Roman God Jupiter were regarded as one and the same; at Bath in England, we find a statue to Minerva-Sulis, Minerva being the Roman goddess, and Sulis the local equivalent. In the great hymns to the Egyptian goddess Isis, she was addressed as "Thou of countless names," because she was identified with so many different religions.
    Gradually, among the learned, the religious attitude took hold that the different religions were in fact only manifestations of the one deity, or, in the words of a treatise falsely attributed to Aristotle, "God being one yet has many names."7 This view, philosophically buttressed by the successive waves of platonic revival that emphasized, in addition to God's unity, his utter transcendence and ineffability, became in fact the reigning civic religion of the ancient imperial world
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    Default Re: Does everyone really believe in the same god?

    We do as long as we think we do. Even if, in the imaginary truth or reality of the universe, we all send our prayers and questions to one, single deity or entity, we still won't believe in the same god if we think we don't believe in the same god.

    All it takes is for us to all agree that we all pray to God, just think of Him differently, and we start believing in the same God. Just like that. And whenever some sect believes everyone else believe in false gods, than that's simply what happens. We stop believing in the same god and we see ourselves believing in different gods.

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    There is only one God and we all praying to the same one. The only thing we differ is that we have different view of the nature of God.


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    I don't think so.

    I think that most religions believe in the same God. One, on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    I don't think so.

    I think that most religions believe in the same God. One, on the other hand...
    Oh yes the raelians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    Oh yes the raelians.
    Raelians, they're a brainwashing association. Strictly speaking, as much as atheists would like to propose this defintion for religion, this is not what religion is.

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    I would argue that everyone worships the same immanent presence that is the universe, but I will not dwell too much into my ever-changing deist/pantheist views...

    Rest assured, this question does not keep me up at night
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    Who's to say Bhraman isn't the same as Allah, Yahweh and God? The fallacy of polytheism is, in my opinion, ... well, a fallacy. They are merely avatars given by Bhraman to help humans understand the infinite.

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    Default Re: Does everyone really believe in the same god?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Raelians, they're a brainwashing association. Strictly speaking, as much as atheists would like to propose this defintion for religion, this is not what religion is.
    Depends, as you say, on the definition; since a religion has to have a group aspect its perfectly possible to define it as that, organised religion anyway, and unorganised religion isn't properly religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    Does everyone really believe in the same god?
    Nope. Many don't believe in one at all, myself included.
    You seem to be assuming that judeo-christianity is the only mainstream form of organized religion. Neopaganism and folk religions are seeing a rise of interest in modern times, and a great many believe in even more ancient animist beliefs, the Chinese and Japanese foremost amongst these (Chinese folk religion is the 4th largest in the world).
    Really, Abrahamism has a unique view on deities and such, and most other religions from the east and west are quite different from the particular viewpoints of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Even deistic concepts seem to be quite different from Abrahamic belief systems, despite holding several similarities.
    So, in closing, quite simply: no.

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    Max
    i know i am a druid
    this is the point, what i am saying is that there has always been 'something' that later was called god! But that 'god' is not a god!

    I dare anyone to give god any definition that would say he is indeed godlike!?
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    what you say would seem to be true, only upon the assumption that the polytheistic deities are all multiple aspects of the same monotheistic deities.

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    yes upon that assumption, but gods can be born like us or living eternal beings perhaps. i would perhaps say we are not merely 'aspects' so neither are they. in ancient texts there is something similar to what we now call god but they don't always say that all the gods emanate from it, although it is the 'original self' in some traditions, so in that context all living beings belong to it in essence.

    Best to leave it naked like the ancients did I'd say.
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    There is only one God and we all praying to the same one. The only thing we differ is that we have different view of the nature of God.
    The problem with that is that the Norse gods are so different from the God of the new testament that if you are going to call them the same, you may as well as say that I am the same as pluto and be done with it.

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    I think Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God. They interpret His nature differently, but all attribute to Him certain powers and abilities that are the same. It's like a car or a book, one can recognize what it is, but not fully understand its inner workings and content. All three hold God as being:

    1) omnipotent
    2) omniscient
    3) An uncreated being
    4) The creator of the universe
    5) The God that appeared to Abraham
    6) just
    7) merciful
    8) able and willing to raise the dead

    Go any further and you run into contested territory. All three worship Him as this God. It seems that, given Christianity's acknowledgment that Jews worship the same God, that Islam also has the same God.

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    Default Re: Does everyone really believe in the same god?

    I fear, that, you don't see Christian priests using psychological tricks to induce people into believe in benevolent aliens.

    Now you may perceive a similarity, but I think, this is related with your point of view.

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    Default Re: Does everyone really believe in the same god?

    It is, but then, so is your own perception... I see priests using cheap tricks to get people to believe in a benevolent deity. The difference being the replacement of alien with deity.

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    My perception being based on study of the psychological nature of religion as a need of human mind, I consider that symbols and moral meanings, differ from methods to collect money for the leader of the "church".

    But I have no illusion that you could realize this.

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    The aim may differ, but the methods are the same; and symbols and moral meanings are some of the cheap tricks of the Church. Everything as a symbol of God's greatness, remember?

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    To be honest i think you have it the wrong way round.

    People make out that they are in fact worshiping the same god(s) simply for the sake of pragmatism and acceptance. There is a long running story through history of people identifying their deities with those of others as a matter of politics.
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