(Moved to Vote)Amendment: "Prothalamos", "Tabularium" & Section 2 Article 2: "Votes of No Confidence"

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

yeah, I'd stick with the speaker for both tBP and Ozy's reasons.

[Rolanbek]

Can we not just do the housekeeping first?

I Support the proposal in the lead post. (not that it need another)

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[Tom Paine]

If we stick with tBP's proposal, that also deals with the housekeeping and prevents future such from occuring.

[the Black Prince]

well, my version allows us to do this housekeeping and more

its the housekeeping+ version lol

[Fabolous]

EDIT: Ok, I support tBP's proposal.

[the Black Prince]

Proposed by: the Black Prince
Supported by: TacticalWithdrawal; Fabolous; Ozymandias

The following Article shall be inserted into Section 2 of the Constitution

Article 6 - Formative Changes

The Curator shall have the power to amend the text of the Constitution and any Curial Decision for the sole purpose of correcting any spelling and grammatical errors that are found within the documents. The details of any such changes must be recorded in the amendments thread of the Tabularium.

Should any such change be challenged by any Patrician, they may request that the Speaker of the House review the change and uphold or discard it. Further challenge may be put to a Curial Vote to veto the change via the procedure in Article 3.

[Mímirswell]

The details of any such changes must be recorded in the amendments thread of the Tabularium

This sentence should have a period at the end. Also, having reread the text, I agree that there is no reason to formalize it further.

[Tom Paine]

I add my third supporterdomnessthing. Eh. I support.

[Mímirswell]

I support this but the speaker will need to keep a regularly updated Syntagma (either PM, in word, etc.) in order to have a comparative document. What happens if the speaker neglects this duty? Maybe we should have each change be done by copying the thread (of the Syntagma); then make the changes and move the old one to the Tabularium. The speaker can still review but this puts the burden on both parties.

[the Black Prince]

there is 2 copies of the constitution, or there should be...

there's the original unedited version pinned in the tab, with the text of all amendments below it, which with this bill, would include such changes made by the curator here, and there's the updated version in the curia main.

so each change the curator makes, would be documented in the tabularum, with the original copy above to it to see precisely how it changed

if the speaker, or any curial officer neglects his duty, not only will he receive constant PMs from me badgering him to do his duty, he'll also face a vote of no confidence over it. i cannot abide people who can't or won't do a job they volunteered for.

[Mímirswell]

there is 2 copies of the constitution, or there should be...

there's the original unedited version pinned in the tab, with the text of all amendments below it, which with this bill, would include such changes made by the curator here, and there's the updated version in the curia main.

so each change the curator makes, would be documented in the tabularum, with the original copy above to it to see precisely how it changed

if the speaker, or any curial officer neglects his duty, not only will he receive constant PMs from me badgering him to do his duty, he'll also face a vote of no confidence over it. i cannot abide people who can't or won't do a job they volunteered for.

I maintained two copies as a Curator and I believe others have continued the practice. However, for spelling corrections, etc. I do not believe the policy has ever been to update the old one for such corrections and I'm suggesting that it be done.

[the Black Prince]

i don't think it needs to be if the curator logs each change as an amendment anyway

[the Black Prince]

so edited lol

[Spiff]

Hmm where does it say two copies should be kept? I think i missed that when i was setting up the amendments and decisions archive. IN any case its probably a good idea so ill do that now.

Also could this perhaps be added into "Article 3 - Legislative Procedure"?

Article 3 - Legislative Procedure

Any Citizen may post a bill in the Prothalamus for discussion. Bills can take two forms.

• Amendments - A proposal to alter the text of the Constitution. Amendments can alter or remove existing text and add entirely new text.
• Decisions - A proposal for the creation of an official Decision of the Curia on a topic relevant to the functioning of TWC. The Curia has authority to direct the Officers of TWC in this way on any topic of which the primary say has been delegated from the Officers, who shall take such Curial Decisions under strong advisement. The Speaker of the House shall determine if proposed Decisions fall within the jurisdiction of the Curia.

The procedure for proposing and voting on either bill is the same. Each version of the bill requires named support from at least three Patricians and must be debated for at least three days in the prothalamus before the proposer can request the bill be moved to vote. If, after three days the debate is still active, the Curator may delay moving the bill to vote after one month. A delay of longer than a month is at the Curators discretion only upon at least three patricians requesting more time for debate.

When a bill is moved to vote, the debate thread is left open, and the Curator shall post the newest draft of the bill, the name of the proposer, the name of the bills three named supporters, and a link to the debate, as a new poll in the Curia Votes forum. All bills shall be voted on for one week. Subsequent posts in this thread, are limited to notification of having voted. Messages lobbying to vote for or against, including via Signatures and Avatars, are prohibited except in the original debate thread. All bills shall pass on the basis of a two-thirds majority of non abstaining votes in favour. If any bill fails a vote, no re-vote on a substantially similar bill will be permitted within twenty-eight days.

All citizens are honour bound to not view the results of Curia Votes until they have themselves voted, unless necessary for the execution of any other duty to the site.

Upon passing a vote:

Amendents

The Curator shall post the text of all passed amendments in a stickied "Amendments" thread in the Tabularum and numbered consecutively in the order they pass. The poll is closed, moved to the Tabularum, and renamed to reflect the whether it passed or failed, and the numbers of votes. The sticked "Constitution" thread in the Curia is then edited to reflect the changes made by passed amendments. When a Section or Article is added or removed, all subsequent Sections and Articles are renumbered by the Curator appropriately.

Decisons

The Curator shall post the text of all passed Decisions in a sticked "Decisions" thread in the Tabularum and consecutively in the order they pass. The poll is closed, moved to the Tabularum, and renamed to reflect the whether it passed or failed, and the numbers of votes.

All Amendments and Decisions are considered to have immediate effect and no retroactive effect unless specifically stated otherwise.

Minor Formative Changes

The Curator shall have the power to amend the text of the Constitution and any Curial Decision for the sole purpose of correcting any spelling and grammatical errors that are found within the documents. The details of any such changes must be recorded in the amendments thread of the Tabularium.

Should any such change be challenged by any Patrician, they may request that the Speaker of the House review the change and uphold or discard it. Further challenge may be put to a Curial Vote to veto the change via the procedure in Article 3.

[Tom Paine]

Sounds good, SPiffy, I support that version, it covers it pretty well.

[the Black Prince]

I'm now confused

unless Ozy has withdrawn support from my version, it can go to vote today... if he has, this proposal is floating around with no one giving support to anything to go to a vote.

[Tom Paine]

I'm supporting Spiff's version, which actually puts it somewhere. This is, yes, in administrative limbo... I suggest you drum up support.

[the Black Prince]

why me?

i'll support Spiff's version unless a third person will support my version, in the interests of expediting this to go to a vote so we can actually get it fixed!

[Fabolous]

I'll support Spiff's version. Given that Spiff would be proposer, it would have tBP, Ozy, and me support, which means it would be prepared to go to vote.

[scottishranger]

Moved to a Vote http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89278