Animal Abuse

[tnick777]

How is it defined?

If animal abuse is any act upon an animal that is immoral including defling it's body, how are slaughter houses different.

I'm just raising this question for the sake of debate.

And my disclamer is I am in no way related to PETA. I think they're 1/2 a step from becoming terrorists.

I was just currious how that definition is so loose.

Is systimatic killing of animals any much different than brutal killings?

I sadly have seen more than I should in my life including a dog getting thrown into a trash compacter.

What do you guys think?

[DimondLight]

I wouldn't call slaughterhouses animal abuse, those animals are raised specifically to be made into meat, while pets or wild animals should be left alone, or in the pets case, loved.

[boofhead]

If an animal is killed for a purpose (food, mercy or because it is dangerous or a total pest) and is done as humanely as possible (i.e. quickly and with little suffering, like a bullet or explosive bolt to the head) then I cannot see how that is abuse.

Abusers do it out of emotion, whether for pleasure or out of anger or hate. They suck big-time. I guess also somebody could also abuse an animal out of negligence.

I used to have to kill sick and dying piglets/weaners in a piggery (sometimes they are born with twisted bowels - a very unpleasant way to die). Large boars and sows would be dispatched with a bullet to the head. The little ones we killed with a short sharp blow to the forehead with a hammer. Very quick and merciful.

[tnick777]

I've seen videos of cows getting skinned alive.

[DimondLight]

^^.......

[tnick777]

thats how it is

Also horses to make glue are just killed then dumped.

[William the Bastard]

A TV program in Britain this past week documented the full process of how meat gets to your plate. It was called "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it". If you wish to see it youtube has got some video but I advise the squeamish to stay away from it.

[Anachronist]

Tis wrong! Animal abuse in general.

[boofhead]

That video showed an extremely humane killing. The animal was knocked out, then very quickly dispatched. What is the problem? Some people are just total pussies and the video is aimed at upsetting people with no actual concept of reality. How do they think animals are killed for food? By cuddling and not killing them? Seriously.

That vid made me hungry. I'm going to make a lamb sandwich right now.

[NaptownKnight]

Well I say that animals are meant to be eaten, but I do not agree with the system in place for killing them and making them into meat. If the killings in the slaughterhouses were done more humanely then I would say everything is fine, but it is not.

Other animals should all be treated with respect and dignity, I mean the only difference between us and them is thinking power and a posable thumb. We are all inhabitants of the planet and we all have a right to live on it. All of this capitalist bull about cutting down rainforrests and stuff needs to stop, we need those trees and animals are also dying from it.

[Odovacar]

Man, I have seen just recently a video (actually just seconds from it) in which someone skinned a racoon alive. I have never seen such a thing, it was totally useless and horrible. I cannot forget how that animal looked when that butcher take off his skin, and he was alive yet, blood, and pain I thought to be unimaginable before.....

This is sick and such ppl must be dealt with utmost strictness.
Someone who does this to an animal could do this to a human as well.

Boofhead defined 'animal abuse' already pretty good.

[Zeffen]

I dont condone purposeful and painful violence against animals.

I do hunt, just deer, pultry, and varmint (like snakes and rabbits). And I do fish when I get a chance. Also, I bring my dogs with me when I hunt.

The problem I have with activist is their blatant hypocracy. How many kids you seen in the past stomping ants into nothing, or swatting flies against the walls. Animal rights crazies will try and save all the kittens in the world while at the same time slaying the bugs in their garden and living in a house that displaced a whole bunch of little animals.

Only people have rights. Animals do not have rights because they cant talk nor fight for themselves. They only have a right to exist as far as I see.

[Odovacar]

Hmm...question is what is purposeful violence?
Eating animals? yes...

Hunting them? Hmm..if not necessary to preserve balance in the woods: not.
After all, I mean no offense to you hunters, but it isnt a great accomplishment to kill a deer with a gun. Maybe if it would be done with arrows. Or hunting would be something more dangerous....
Even then it would not be that great an activity.

I have seen photograps of foy hunting (very popular in England and traditional) where dogs chase the fox till he or she (in this the fox was a she
) exhaust , and cannot run any further...then the dogs tear her apart.
It isn't a very noble spectacle. (Back in Middle Ages when even kings attacked bears with a lance...they actually risked their life...)

That fox probably had more intelligence than the whole hunting party, and she looked cool as well.

There are so much fun in life. I just dont get why should I ruin a life to enjoy myself....funny though as I was never a pacifist or something like that.

[William the Bastard]

Unfortunatly Fox hunting is still happening even though its now illegal. Fair enough I think if you shoot the fox as if you have chickens they will get eaten but when rich toffs get dressed up to experience the countryside and the experience of seeing a dog rip apart an animal just for bragging rights at a dinner party is wrong. To use tradition as a reason is stupid as traditionally we used to drown witches so why not bring that back too!!!

[Zeffen]

Meat is very expensive, especially good meat.

Hunting is free. The bullet is 5 cents on its own. I get over 100 lbs of meat for about 5 cents. Buying beef at the market is around $2.00/lb.

Do the math. Pretty simple. Also, there is no shortage of deer here in the states. People really dont hunt anymore. People DO kill every animal with their cars, on accident. I could go out (and have fun) hunting an animal or it can die in the cold, be hit by a car, die some other way. The biggest and strongest usually survive, as they can sense me from a mile away and they're extremely fast. The weakest die in the highway and from the elements, as well as from my gun.

Hunting is not quite as easy as most of you believe it to be. The animals are much smarter than all these 'animal lovers' give them credit for. I usually need to set up a whole weekend to get a single deer, even then it isnt guaranteed.

[William the Bastard]

Hunting with rifles I can accept as its human nature to hunt and get meat to eat. What I despise is this sort of hunting that ends up with no meat on the table and yes it gets rid of vermin but it is mainly done for as a pleasurable hobby.

[Odovacar]

Hunting is not quite as easy as most of you believe it to be. The animals are much smarter than all these 'animal lovers' give them credit for. I usually need to set up a whole weekend to get a single deer, even then it isnt guaranteed.

Well, poor you....
Somehow they must defend themselves. Of course they are smart. Many animals are really smart, I mean the higher mammals.

There is a saying which originates from Herbert Marcuse:
"The great fish eat the small ones...that's thought to be natural. Well, maybe not so natural for the small fish?"
Of course it had to be understood as an allegory. It does mean that why many things are natural, it does not mean they are good and honest.
We humans can kill animals, because we have more power. But is it the right thing to do when we dont need it?

William the bastard: you are right. Perfectly right.

Ozmandyas: just because that 'pest' doesnt think as you, after all she is a living being, and not a machine. I think you think in very 17th century style regarding this which is suprising, knowning your philosophical sharpness.

[Yorkshireman]

Unfortunatly Fox hunting is still happening even though its now illegal. Fair enough I think if you shoot the fox as if you have chickens they will get eaten but when rich toffs get dressed up to experience the countryside and the experience of seeing a dog rip apart an animal just for bragging rights at a dinner party is wrong

It's a bit of an animal rights myth about dog's tearing apart foxes. The first dog in a pack will simply break it's neck with one bite, the pack then just worry the body.

Due to the change in law farmers now simply poison foxes or shoot them and they're still allowed to use a pair of dogs to hunt them, so whats the difference the fox still dies anyway.

[Tom Paine]

Personally, I don't care about animal rights "abuses". Or animal "rights". That stems from animal rights then being extended to testing medications on them. Hey, presto, we can't test medication, that puts our medical research back a good 20 years! Great!

[Tom Paine]

So what, though? I used to agree, then I realised that what we are talking about it an animal that isn't a human, and is a pest. Its a godsdamned nonsentient animal!