Questions, Comments & Suggestions

[Garbarsardar]

Please post here any comments and/or suggestions.

Check out the new rules thread.

[Oldgamer]

Mein Gott! I didn't know this existed. This is just the place for some of our more unruly members. Anyone comeing into the FC would have to expect to be offended.

Good idea, Garb!

[Yorkshireman]

I think you touched upon it in the rules you laid down, but I think there definately needs to be a set limit on the amount of linked data presented as part of a debate. I know that sources of evidence are important to prove ones case, but the observer does'nt really want to have to trawl through page after page of technical details or verse after verse of the bible or koran, which does occur on some of our more hotly contested threads. If limits are not observed it will turn from a debate that we can all keep up with and vote upon into a full time research project.

[Garbarsardar]

I think you touched upon it in the rules you laid down, but I think there definately needs to be a set limit on the amount of linked data presented as part of a debate. I know that sources of evidence are important to prove ones case, but the observer does'nt really want to have to trawl through page after page of technical details or verse after verse of the bible or koran, which does occur on some of our more hotly contested threads. If limits are not observed it will turn from a debate that we can all keep up with and vote upon into a full time research project.

You are right. I will add this to the rules:

"The text quoted in any post cannot exceed a total of 15 lines. However there is no limitation on the number of supporting links, which will be checked for veracity by the host."

[wilpuri]

The gloves are off!

[Ummon]

I will gladly participate, time permitting. I have no challenges to issue, but I am ready to be challenged of course.

[Garbarsardar]

I will gladly participate, time permitting. I have no challenges to issue, but I am ready to be challenged of course.

I will inform...ehem...all of them, Ummon...

[Lusted]

A suggestion on the amount of data in a post. Why not just have a poster break their post into sections, and put each one in spoiler tags with a header above it so other people can read through the post a bit at a time?

[Garbarsardar]

A suggestion on the amount of data in a post. Why not just have a poster break their post into sections, and put each one in spoiler tags with a header above it so other people can read through the post a bit at a time?

Excellent idea!

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Will this be a one post fight? So, I post, you post, we vote? Is there a "rebuttal" -esque idea here?

[RZZZA]

Will this be a one post fight? So, I post, you post, we vote? Is there a "rebuttal" -esque idea here?

Good questions, to add to that...

Seems to me like the person doing the challenging will always have one up on the person being challenged, because they can just choose the topic they are most knowledgable in, right?

And is there anything stopping this from becoming long winded essays? I ask because Ive seen some long ass posts on TWC and I dont always think long = better.

[Tom Paine]

I think in this case, its better to have long essays; they allow for more detail, greater depth of thought and greater clarity of ideas, than is usually possible in the hack and slash of general debates. Personal preference, purely.


And the following rule implies multiple-post debates:

The argument will last for a predefined number of days that cannot be more than 7 in total and will be arranged between the opponents. The two opponents will post an opening statement. The series of statements depends on the toss of a coin here in my house in front of my screen. This is as impartial as it gets. The text quoted in any post cannot exceed a total of 15 lines. More than 15 lines (if you really feel like it) should be in "spoiler" tags. However there is no limitation on the number of supporting links, which will be checked for veracity by the host.

[Ummon]

It seems the fights have a hard time beginning...

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

It seems the fights have a hard time beginning...

I find it's wise to consider your blows carefully, especially the first punch. The first punch has been landed - but thanks for your concern.

[Ummon]

There's a very interesting reply by Kloss. It's possibly a little weak, especially because of little medical non-sequitur which is though difficult to notice for the layman. I suspect the discussion will be entertaining, though Kloss has an uphill confrontation to face, because:

1) people do not like holocaust deniers (I find it difficult to consider his points worthwhile myself, a priori).
2) he has tried to demolish the witness, a weak approach reasoning-wise. It is proven that judges (especially non-experts) tend to make up their mind based on primacy, sympathies, etc.

A chat thread would be nice, as promised by the rules post. I reckon Kloss has violated the rules on quote length as well.

[Silver Guard]

So did you in your last post agaisnt me Ummon, but I do not view these rules as fully binding, more as quidelines, as such quotes are useful (your longest quote was very useful for singling out the important section of an article)

Also I'd like a comments thread for debates (not one per debate, that would be too many) for outsiders to comment on past post, root for winners ect

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Does someone judge it? How do you know who wins?

[TheKwas]

I think that the biggest problem with getting the fights started is that although there are many willing debators, it is hard to agree on what issue to debate. My suggestion would be to include a 'blind debate pool' option where would-be debators sign up, are paired off, and then are forced to debate each other over a question provided to them by Garbarsardar (or someone replacing/helping Garbarsardar). As well, each debator should be assigned a position to take in the debate so that the debators can't just agree.

If such a pool is created (alongside the challenge thread I presume), allow me to be the first one to sign up.

[Каие]

I just want to bump this thread up, If anyone has any questions whatsoever post them here, and not in the Challenge thread. Also feel free to suggest improvements and to make any other comments about how this area is being run.

[Celsius]

This is a suggestion for the official fight club picture




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