israel made by arabs?

[Turk]

yes right,

during ww1 the arabs helped britain against ottomans(lawrence of arabia)
so isnt that their fault that israel is exist now?

[Janissary]

Wow you are narrow-minded.

[Orretje]

its the fault of everyone, pretty much noone wanted the jews in their country so they had to go someplace, so they chose Israel to go to.

[Valentin the II]

The jews also helpped the brits in several ocasions.
Aniway I dont see the conaction of Lorance of arabia and the creation of Israel.
And what do you mean "fault", I dont see the creation of Israel as a bad thing.
But thats just me.

[William the Bastard]

You could just as well say that if America joined the WWII sooner 6 million Jews would not have died 15+ million Russians but you can make any conclusion from any situation you want as long as you get the right perspective for it.

[Hex Khan]

yes right,

during ww1 the arabs helped britain against ottomans(lawrence of arabia)
so isnt that their fault that israel is exist now?

you'd be wrong, the arab rebellion incited by the british during WW1 was an attempt to drain Ottoman supplies from other fronts, I very much doubt that it had anything to do with the restoration of the state of Israel. That didnt come into the play until after WW2 and still its no ones fault Israel was an independant state before its had a hell of a time through history between various conquerors.

I say long live Israel, so long oppressed

[Giorgos]

you'd be wrong, the arab rebellion incited by the british during WW1 was an attempt to drain Ottoman supplies from other fronts, I very much doubt that it had anything to do with the restoration of the state of Israel. That didnt come into the play until after WW2 and still its no ones fault Israel was an independant state before its had a hell of a time through history between various conquerors.

I say long live Israel, so long oppressed

The Jews of Isreal of course should not be killed or pushed away as some extremist regimes would suggest, however they have to figure out a way to settle things with the palestinians. Building a massive concrete wall is so middle-ages-esque, don't you think?

[Hex Khan]

The Jews of Isreal of course should not be killed or pushed away as some extremist regimes would suggest, however they have to figure out a way to settle things with the palestinians. Building a massive concrete wall is so middle-ages-esque, don't you think?

you have a point, but its consideribly passive it could so much more openly aggressive. But do consider its not like Israels arab-palastinian neighbours have been hospitable to a country which is far older than half of them there iven if it had been oppressed by various kingdoms/empires.

[Giorgos]

you have a point, but its consideribly passive it could so much more openly aggressive. But do consider its not like Israels arab-palastinian neighbours have been hospitable to a country which is far older than half of them there iven if it had been oppressed by various kingdoms/empires.

I do. Which makes it even more imperative that they try to figure out an amicable solution. The older the history between nations, the more bitter the feelings.
The one side has much of the western world on it's side and is provided with hi-tech weaponry while the other side has the support of much of the eastern world and is using weapons of terror because those are the only weapons they have with which they can cause damage.
It seems to me at times, that if a WWIII ever happens, that's where the fighting is going to start from. They've got to figure out a way to relieve tensions, they simply have to.

[Hex Khan]

I do. Which makes it even more imperative that they try to figure out an amicable solution. The older the history between nations, the more bitter the feelings.
The one side has much of the western world on it's side and is provided with hi-tech weaponry while the other side has the support of much of the eastern world and is using weapons of terror because those are the only weapons they have with which they can cause damage.
It seems to me at times, that if a WWIII ever happens, that's where the fighting is going to start from. They've got to figure out a way to relieve tensions, they simply have to.

I would agree, i too suspect WWIII is likely to erupt there, problem is they wont and cant compromise, only reason israel has lasted so long is because of the western support it gets access to some of the finest weapons and tech possible.

only problem is religion is the down fall there, so many grudges and fueds and killings. I'm not anti-religion i support it, but on fortunately it seem like its the bane of man, inspite of the fact that their so alike.

But they dont realise it.

So they fight

[Matt]

The Jews of Isreal of course should not be killed or pushed away as some extremist regimes would suggest, however they have to figure out a way to settle things with the palestinians. Building a massive concrete wall is so middle-ages-esque, don't you think?

And you think blowing yourself up in a civilian area is normal ?

[Hex Khan]

And you think blowing yourself up in a civilian area is normal ?

GZ isnt advocating that militiant methods are normal or right, what he's saying is that the various arab states and israel need to compromise

[Giorgos]

And you think blowing yourself up in a civilian area is normal ?

Of course not, it's idiotic beyond belief. I can't even imagine what conditioning these people go through in order to blow themselves in public places, taking a number of innocents with them each time.
Like Hex Khan wrote though, there is necessity for compromise. Building up walls will not solve anything. Ever. I believe we are all mature enough here to understand that.

[hvypetals]

Maybe if the arabs decided to stop scape goating Isreal for their lot in life they could actually build a decent country.

All that oil and nothing to show for it.

Meanwhile Isreal built everything they had from nothing with zero oil revenue.

Well at least the arafatso's have million dollar villas in ..France. All the while their countrymen scratch a living out of rocks.

[Tabell]

The Jews of Isreal of course should not be killed or pushed away as some extremist regimes would suggest, however they have to figure out a way to settle things with the palestinians. Building a massive concrete wall is so middle-ages-esque, don't you think?

I guess jews just really like living in enclosed spaces

[Alatar]

It's better than genocide.
I think everyone hope for peace, but it takes a long time, and I'm not hopefull.
The birthplace of civilisation has never been a peacefull place.

[Daneboy]

yes right,

during ww1 the arabs helped britain against ottomans(lawrence of arabia)
so isnt that their fault that israel is exist now?

Sorry, didn´t get that..Say again?? I loved the "fault" part..

[Icefrisco]

during ww1 the arabs helped britain against ottomans(lawrence of arabia)
so isnt that their fault that israel is exist now?

israel would have probably existed anyway because there were so many jews in israel by 1900 that a jewish state seemed near. many jews fought for the ottomans because the ottomans garaunteed them semi-independance. the commander of the ottoman army, von sanders, was a german jew. some arabs did fight for the ottomans as well as against them.

however, in ww2 jews did serve britain in hope of gaining independance. moshe dayan was among these jews. he fought against the vichy french. churchill even demanded the creation of a unit of jewish spies who speak yiddish and german.

[Orretje]

People are making the mistake to think Israel has always existed but was simply suppressed. The Jews living in Israel now don't descend from the Israelite tribes of the Bible and are not native to the area. AFAIK Palestinians more or less descend from the Philistines however, which lived in "Israel" even before the Jews of the Bible arrived. Most Jews from the West descend from Spanish and Portuguese Jews, and in the East from Khazar serfs right?

So they dont belong there, but then again noone "belongs" anywhere, there have been migrations all the time, this was just a recent one. And the people that are told to sod off and find another place obviously wont like this thats why there is war.

[Your Lame Sister]

the palestinians have absolutely no cennection to the phillistines other than name. the phillistines invaded canaan in the 12th century BC. what makes you think they survived all of the massacares by the egyptians, assyrians, babylonians, greeks, romans, persians, arabs, crusaders and many others? anyway, the phillistines were part of the sea people who invaded canaan around the same time that the isralites invaded ("philistine" means 'invader').