Common Community Reshuffle

[Denny Crane!]

I think for now simply moving the Ethos out of this section as it is as popular as Vestiga Vetustatis both hovering around the 65000 posts mark

Ethos Section

• Philosophy

I also suggest that Sciences is brought into a sub forum of the mudpit as there is a broad mix of political implications in some of the posts and it may be a way to get it viewed more, most posters ignore it but still post in the mudpit. If in the subforum they see a topic active they may then post in it.


Thema Devia

• The political Mudpit:
  
  
  • Atheneum
  
  
• Foreign languages
• Sport
• Arts

The main thrust is to move the Ethos out though. The other thing I want considered is moving Circus Maximus out of community as with the theme of expansion in TWC it is no longer just community discussion but an up and coming large part of the site. No longer community orientated as such but game, modding and site development.

Or how about this:

Common Community

The Politcal Mudpit
Ethos
Thema Devia and its subforums
VV
Basement
Coliseum

Circus Maximus

EU3(or paradox games section)
General Gaming discussion

Peter

[scottishranger]

I would support, though I do not like exactly that the Athaneum is a sub-forum of a sub-forum. It is fine to me though.

[Denny Crane!]

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Common Community Reshuffle

Introducer: Seneca
Supporters:

I would like to move Circus Maximus out of community as with the theme of expansion in TWC it is no longer just community discussion but an up and coming large part of the site. No longer community orientated as such but game, modding and site development.

how about this:

Common Community

The Politcal Mudpit
Ethos - with a philosophy subsection
Thema Devia and its subforums
VV
Basement
Coliseum

Circus Maximus

Paradox games section
General Gaming discussion

Peter

[scottishranger]

I like it, especially making the Paradox forum a ful fourm, not just a sub forum

[Garbarsardar]

I support this. (Not so sure about "Philosophy" subforum, but that's minor..)

[Tom Paine]

Subforum for philosophy? The main meat and drink of the Ethos? Not a good idea. Furthermore what differentiates philosophy and religion? What is theology? What is debate on the existence of God? Basically, what's philosophy of religion? I would argue that it should actually be entitled the Philosophy forum, in fact, not the EMM.

[Shaun]

"If it aint broke, done fix it."

Is the common community 'broken' as such that it needs to be reshuffled? So far everything looks fine, the only change that I can see, which is far from necessary, is maybe merging the Ethos and Pitt' into a single debate thread, this would probably boost both kinds of debate, but, is not really necessary. However, if you really want to shuffle things up, then what do you think of my idea?

[Tom Paine]

No, I really think that kind of mixing puts too much pressure on the subforum, too many active debates at a time at that point Shaun.
Furthermore, it makes more sense to do it this way in terms of area activity, especially if we want to be boosting the status of nonTW games on TWC.

[Shaun]

No, I really think that kind of mixing puts too much pressure on the subforum, too many active debates at a time at that point Shaun.

And what exactly is wrong with a lot of active debates? If anything, I can see it having the effect of amplifying the amount of debates and debators, which is a good thing, no?

Furthermore, it makes more sense to do it this way in terms of area activity, especially if we want to be boosting the status of nonTW games on TWC.

I think one of the main reasons why non TW games dont have much activity is because its a TW site, hence why almost 100% of people here are TW fans, and only 'X'% are fans of game 'Y', where X is a small percentage, and Y is a non TW game, its only logical that the CM doesnt get that much activity.

[Tom Paine]

And what exactly is wrong with a lot of active debates? If anything, I can see it having the effect of amplifying the amount of debates and debators, which is a good thing, no?

Um... Shaun, I can't. Look at the 'Pit: More threads were posted in today than the front page thereof has room for. Its simply not logical to maximise the amount of debate in one place to the detriment of individual debates. I also don't think it'd increase anything.

I think one of the main reasons why non TW games dont have much activity is because its a TW site, hence why almost 100% of people here are TW fans, and only 'X'% are fans of game 'Y', where X is a small percentage, and Y is a non TW game, its only logical that the CM doesnt get that much activity.

Its not a matter of not getting activity, its a matter of if we want to appeal to fans of other games, we need to restructure.

[Shaun]

Um... Shaun, I can't. Look at the 'Pit: More threads were posted in today than the front page thereof has room for. Its simply not logical to maximise the amount of debate in one place to the detriment of individual debates. I also don't think it'd increase anything.

Well perhaps threads in debate sub forums can be disabled from appearing on the front page? I see what you mean, I took a look the at TWC front page, and there is very little TW going on, its overwhelmed by a)debate threads and b)your posts

The TWC front page, as of a few mins before this post was posted;
· Are gay people mentally deficient?
By: Ozymandias
· Common Community Reshuffle
By: Ozymandias
· Has anyone lost interest in the mods?
By: Wolfgrin
· Formal debates
By: Ozymandias
· israel made by arabs?
By: Hex Khan

Anyway, if debate threads can be disabled from appearing on the front page, I dont see how its not logical to try and maximise the amount of debate going on. Many threads are borderline between the Pitt and ethos, some almost exactly the same (mostly about Islam), maybe if there was on singular debate thread then useless and over discussed topics - mainly "is Islam a peaceful religion" and comparassons between Christianity and Islam
- would not get discussed so much, they just go round and round in circles.

[Perikles]

Personally I would suggest, as I have before:

• Common Community
  
  • Humanities (think of a better name)
    
    • The Politcal Mudpit
    • Ethos
    • Philosophy
    • VV
  • Thema Devia and its subforums
  • Circus Maximus - General Gaming Discussion
  • Paradox Games Forum
  • Basement
  • Coliseum

This way we have all the 'intellectual subjects' bunched together and not too much front page clutter.

[therussian]

Personally I would suggest, as I have before:

• Common Community
  
  • Humanities (think of a better name)
    
    • The Politcal Mudpit
    • Ethos
    • Philosophy
    • VV
  • Thema Devia and its subforums
  • Circus Maximus - General Gaming Discussion
  • Paradox Games Forum
  • Basement
  • Coliseum

This way we have all the 'intellectual subjects' bunched together and not too much front page clutter.

I disagree wit this version, mainly because you're making the VV into a subforum, which it clearly should not be. Also because you're making the Paradox Games forum, when it isn't active enough to be its own forum (maybe in time, but not now)

However, I do like Seneca's proposal.

[Perikles]

I disagree wit this version, mainly because you're making the VV into a subforum, which it clearly should not be.

However, I do like Seneca's proposal.

Why does the VV > the Pit?

[Shaun]

Why does the VV > the Pit?

Its not, I believe that they are of equal status, does location truly matter in relation to status? I am sure people arent too hard pressed about having to go into the TD to get to the pitt.

[Tom Paine]

I disagree wit this version, mainly because you're making the VV into a subforum, which it clearly should not be. Also because you're making the Paradox Games forum, when it isn't active enough to be its own forum (maybe in time, but not now)

However, I do like Seneca's proposal.

What, because it has 65,000 posts or so... as compared to the 150,000 or so of the 'Pit?

Sub forums in the TWC should not be judged on how much posts or activity they get, unless its piss poor, but instead, what they actually do. The VV is about history, many TW fans will also be bedroom historians, and many posters mainly from the TW section also post there, hence why I think it should be left the way it is.
The Pitt', on the other hand, is part of the TD, the off topic subforum, and should remain there as its off topic, is it really that important that it should get a sub forum of its own? Its mostly the same faces I see there again and again.

But, then again, if we are going to complain about sub forums which dont get enough posts being an independant area, then should we not just merge the whole of the TW eras sub forums into one? They hardly get posts anymore, so it only makes sense, according to you.

Actually I see a lot of different ones personally, and I must say (this will sound horrifically arrogant) my experience in there is probably one of the largest experiences and most widespread.

Its not, I believe that they are of equal status, does location truly matter in relation to status? I am sure people arent too hard pressed about having to go into the TD to get to the pitt.

Then wherein lieth the problem with moving the VV?

[Tom Paine]

I think you misunderstand me, Shaun. Go into the Pit and look at when the last posts on some of the threads in the second page are. We have to neglect threads which are good due to the sheer volume of debate. Increasing that debate in one area increases how many threads we neglect.

Oh, and one debate thread is insane. Look at the Pit. Look at the Ethos. Far, far, far, far too many disparate topics there for one thread.

[Shaun]

No, I think the main reasons these are neglected is because they have ran their course, not because there is not time for them, its not hard to scroll down past the first few threads, or even to the next page.

I see no reason why disparate topics cannot go in the same sub forum at all, really, perhaps this would even encourage people to take part in the kind of debate that they dont usually.

[Elrond]

I strongly support this - especially making the circus maximus a section.

[Tom Paine]

Or perhaps it would just kill debate altogether? Shaun, I ask again, what benefit is brought by your plan?