In the beginning... what was there?

[Amorphos]

In the beginning... what was there?

for once i'll keep it simple:
What do you think was there before existence?

[ajimenez3]

Nothing?:hmmm:

But seriously who really knows? There could have been a whole Universe that had run its course and was destroyed somehow and our Universe came about from that.
Then you have the religious stand point.

[Yuiis]

A mass all so huge in a tiny little point, our brain cant even imagine...and of course that had to blow up somehow....and produce the Big Bang.

A theory stil I know....but nobody will konvince me of a superior being...unless i start have facts (not necesarily difinitive) of him existing!!!

[Flavius]

There is no such thing. There is no beginning nor end. Our minds merely cannot envision or grasp the concept of infinate existance.

[Tostig]

Before existence there existed nothing. The whole idea of something existing before anything existed, or of a time before time started, is rather a paradoxical non? How about "What was there in the beginning?"

Myself, I'm rather tempted by the big bang theory. Failing that why not go with

Old tales I remember | of men long ago. I remember yet | the giants of yore [...] Of old was the age | when Ymir lived; No Sea nor cool waves | nor sand there were; Earth had not been, | nor heaven above, Only a yawning gap, | and grass nowhere.

After all, the idea that the world we inhabit it just Ymir's eyebrows is a damn sound one.

[Amorphos]

I can imagine the big bang but what before, i know time began with it yet this still leaves a stateless 'place' a nothingness from which everything arose including time and other dimensions.

A being can be seen as having aspects or parts to its nature with one aspect being comparative to another. Then we may ask what was that made of when nothing existed.

If you have 'pure being' it answers nothing as to how existence came about.

It could be circular, that the beginning was the end of another universe or connected to a parallel universe. But when compared to infinity how many universes do you add up before realising that you have the same comparative amount of 'stuff'.

an idea...

can you have everything before it got separated into things, like the ghost before the person? hmm still left in the same ole paradox.

[Felix]

The question is not coherent. Sorry. It's like asking "Why is Thursday purple?"

[ShangTang]

There has always been something. In one way or another.

[Plutarch]

There has always been something. In one way or another.

duality is the best way to explain how we have the things we have in this world. Right cannot be defined unless there is a wrong to compare it to, good cannot be good unless compared with evil, heaven cannot be heaven unless there was hell to balance it out etc.

[Kovas]

I think that before existence there existed one feather in the spice... no more, only one feather.

[Amorphos]

Yeah god was asleep for all eternity and the feather tickled his feet and he had a thought; following this he thought "oh bugger" there goes another universe!

Or, eternity has a rear end and the big bang was...

[Angmar_nite]

In the beginning was tom bombadil. If you read Lotr that is. Actually I am going to have to go with Flavius's explanation there.

[vikrant]

before beginnng there was high concentration of antimatter with the big bang the antimatter converted into matter and our universe was formed , the time began after big bang. :~

[Amorphos]

flavius

There is no such thing. There is no beginning nor end. Our minds merely cannot envision or grasp the concept of infinite existence

yeah man, far out. there is no beginning nor end - not literally no, i been saying this for years, nor is there an outside of the universe... apparently, and the mind can grasp the concept of infinity.

Vikrant,
yeah, and where did the anti-matter come from? Its the same with the 37 fields of energy theory and similar pre-existing states, not only can they not explain origin, they cannot explain what the prime mover is!


Some thoughts on pre-existence...
Perhaps 'what went before was as that which goes after' in much the same way as the ancient saying 'as below so above'? Seams to be a familiar universal theme of mirroring. Imagine invisibility, then its cousins in nature which would allow something to be unseen, unheard and generally un-sensed, could everything or at least that which composes everything be like that in the pre-universe. If you have a sphere in reality then you have its universally invisible counterpart in pre-existence, this would be more than one of Plato's moulds, it would be the actual thing in its unmanifest form. Potential would then form the link between the manifest and the unmanifest, with infinite possibilities that would not be constrained by their extant natures. In other words the nature of the universe would not decide its pre existent nature nor its own limits, similarly to 'the whole is greater to the sum of its parts'.

[Dunecat]

I think it was this:


















BANG!

[Flavius]

flavius


yeah man, far out. there is no beginning nor end - not literally no, i been saying this for years, nor is there an outside of the universe... apparently, and the mind can grasp the concept of infinity.

You can grasp it at its basest form. Endlessness. Try to imagine endlessness. What does it look like? Like someone here said, the mind uses duality to rationalize. There is no duality in infinity, therefore, we cannot grasp it at its greatest extent.

Edit: Didn't notice the second page. I think Zenith Darksea said it better than me.

[tnick777]

For things like God, the universe, creation you have to tell yourself that you don't care. These unanswerable questions are things you shouldn't waste your life on.

[Dunecat]

For things like God, the universe, creation you have to tell yourself that you don't care. These unanswerable questions are things you shouldn't waste your life on.

And you're a Christian? (As is stated in your signature)

Or was your statement sarcastic?

I personally think that these questions are important if a higher power has revealed itself to us.

My opinion is that is has not.

[tnick777]

No it wasn't sarcastic because if it's impossible to prove then why bother?

[Dunecat]

No it wasn't sarcastic because if it's impossible to prove then why bother?

Your whole way of being is based off your views of origin, meaning, morality, and destiny. Of course its worth bothering about from your the perspective of your worldview.