Iberians

[tone]

Have had a reply from Iberia Total War. We are in discussion about using some of their units in exchange for the use of our governors system.

I've requested permission to use at least some of these - the Celtiberians:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62843

My suggestions would be:

Remove Bull warriors and naked fanatics from iberia. Replace bull warriors with Neito guard, change current Carthaginian peltasts (used by Spain and Carthage) to caetrati, change current scutati to ITW ones, add Devotio warrior and lanceati to Iberian faction. Add jinetes and possibly one of the other cavalry units.

In total we would end up using 4 slots out of remaining 13, but we would end up with a vastly improved Iberian faction. One of the units - the jinete - can also be used by Gaul as mounted javelin skirmishers.

We'll see what they have to say. DVK has said yes, fine to use Governors system.

i'll also try and see whether we can get to use these off EB, shall I?:

[tone]

Good news - we can use the Celtiberian models / skins from ITW 1.5 (not Gold as not released yet), adn include in our next release. They will ultimately be happy for us to use some of the generals in the future after some time after their release

[cherryfunk]

Remove Bull warriors and naked fanatics from iberia. Replace bull warriors with Neito guard, change current Carthaginian peltasts (used by Spain and Carthage) to caetrati, change current scutati to ITW ones, add Devotio warrior and lanceati to Iberian faction. Add jinetes and possibly one of the other cavalry units.

I agree with all of these suggestions, this would be fantastic. I've played ITW and it has some of the best work I've seen in any mod (and when they finally get a new release out, I recommend you all give it a try...) -- so these units will add tremendously to the Iberian faction.

My one suggestion is that somehow Carthage needs to be able to use these units also, either as mercs or as units recruitable in Carthaginian-controlled Iberian towns. In fact I think we should make these unique Iberian units recruitable as mercs for anyone in the area -- Rome did use them after all, didn't they?

[tone]

Absolutely - this is what I had in mind. All these could be reskinned for both Carthage (to replace their scutati, etc) and rebels, as well as some as mercs. Changes mainly in shield designs rather than major changes.

[dvk901]

I agree with all of these suggestions, this would be fantastic. I've played ITW and it has some of the best work I've seen in any mod (and when they finally get a new release out, I recommend you all give it a try...) -- so these units will add tremendously to the Iberian faction.

My one suggestion is that somehow Carthage needs to be able to use these units also, either as mercs or as units recruitable in Carthaginian-controlled Iberian towns. In fact I think we should make these unique Iberian units recruitable as mercs for anyone in the area -- Rome did use them after all, didn't they?

I agree that Spain needs help ,and with replacing the Bulls, scutarii. There are 16 slots, by the way...I freed up a few more last night. (but that's gonna be it) And yes, would be easy to allow Carthage to recruit them (or anyone) in the 'west' AOR.

As far as IBW using the 'governor's'....I wish it was a better system to offer. All it is is dismounted units. But hopefully Squid can make it work better and we'll have something to offer there.

[tone]

Copied from Carthaginian thread:

[removeduser_426582376423734]

That sword so often shown in pictures of Iberians is the 'falcata'. This was a very effective sword, I think the foundation of the gladius.

[tone]

Thanks Shyam

[removeduser_426582376423734]

No problem. Maybe make a 'falcata swordsmen' unit?

[dvk901]

No problem. Maybe make a 'falcata swordsmen' unit?

If in fact this was the basis of the 'Gladius', it would be worth it for historical purposes....or at least to find a current unit that uses it to replace an existing one.

[Tyr]

If it was in common use, then most of the Iberian Units would be using it - so no need to devote a whole unit for a sword

[cherryfunk]

Maybe make a 'falcata swordsmen' unit?

That makes as much sense as renaming a Roman unit the 'gladius swordsmen' -- like Tyr says it was a common sword used by Iberians.

[dvk901]

That makes as much sense as renaming a Roman unit the 'gladius swordsmen' -- like Tyr says it was a common sword used by Iberians.

I'm not sying we need a new unit, but do the current ones, or any of them, use this sword?

[rory o'kane]

that first picture is where RTR got the designs for their Scutarii Devotio infantry, and Devotio cavalry (who were hard as nails, even gave RTR's legionaires a run for their money! ) put 'em (or something similar) in! iberia needs a bit of muscle! i like the ITW skins too though hope you do get permission to use them!

[removeduser_426582376423734]

I only said new unit because otherwise, to in any way use the falcata, you would need to change every Iberian unit to use the sword. I just thought it would be easier.

[rory o'kane]

i think one mod has a samnite unit using that sword... perhaps reskinning the model with the iberian unit skins might work (a total shot in the dark, as is probably dead obvious, i dont know the first thing about skinning, modelling or coding! )

[cherryfunk]

Is changing the sword a skinning or a modeling issue? I think ideally we should change most Iberian infantry -- at least their heavy inf. -- to use the falcata. BUT, if this is time-consuming, there are far more important things to be done first...

[dvk901]

My guess is that the sword shape depends on the 'model' (.cas file) not the skin.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

So, it would be easier to have all Iberian units to use the falcata? If you're going to make one, you can use the same base model and just new skins.

[tone]

No need guys. i have permission from Iberia Total War to use their models. However, what I didn't notice when I first asked is that most of the celtiberians use a longsword instead of a falcata and I've now asked whether we can use some of their Edetani units, all with falcata, instead of some of the Celtiberians ones...so basically the Edetani caetrati, devotio warrior and scutati (looks almost identical to the guy in one of the pictures above with the scale mail tunic and strange scale hat), together with the Celtiberian spearman (like Celtiberian heavy infantry above), and Neito guard as well as the jinete and another cav unit. I can't see that this would cause any problems - I'm asking to use the same number of units, just some from a different faction instead of the Celtiberians.