The Controversy of Heavy Metal

Slipknot, Korn, SOAD -- Not!

Slayer, Anthrax, Hatebreed -- Yes!

Rammstein, Fear Factory, Marilyn Manson -- Not!

Megadeth, Black Sabbath, Testament -- Yes!


This is the great controversy of Heavy Metal. Currently, the 'traditionalist' Heavy Community, myself a member, believe that the above statements are true. *Industrial Metal and Nu Metal are not Heavy Metal.

This verdict I just shared is the subject of controversy.

So, if you are (embarrassingly enough) a Korn or Slipknot fan, come forth and tell us why those [god-awful] bands deserve the heavy metal tag.



*I have SOME respect for Industrial Rock/Metal fans

Well its a rather pointless controversy because all of them are perversions of real rock music and don't really deserve the title of Rock.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Well its a rather pointless controversy because all of them are perversions of real rock music and don't really deserve the title of Rock.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by DimondLight

Couldn't have said it better myself.

really? because what he said was pretty....false

Originally Posted by Last Roman

really? because what he said was pretty....false

I beg to differ.

wow, alot of you have no clue at all about what is heavy metal. the whole satanist theme your talking about is only present in black metal, and the majority of metal bands dont sing about the devil and don't walk with spikes or any of that ****. the most famous metal band ever, metallica, has never written even a single song about the devil, and the same thing applies for almost all of the other famous metal bands (megadeth, testament, pantera, manowar, raphsody, children of bodom, death, iron maiden (well that band wrote one song about the devil, as a joke), and many more.

if you think that heavy metal is just about making noise and screaming, then you obviously have never listened to iron maiden, judas priest, metallica, megadeth, and many other metal bands who's melodic abilities would surpass that of any rock band.
heavy metal is also MUCH more complex and technical than any other form of rock, and it is an extermely accurate and calculated way of making music.

educate yourself!

heavy metal

I listen to mainly traditional heavy metal
Judas priest
Saxon
Iron maiden
motoerhead
Black sabbath
and so on

though motorhead class there selfs as rock and roll

I personally do not like the trend of metal nower days if i watch a music channel which i don't normally do i normally some crap band who can't play the guitar with the lead singer screaming his head of which doesn't appeal to me at all also alot of the bad i feel are very overrated for there musicianship to me its all image

Originally Posted by hunter260859

I listen to mainly traditional heavy metal
Judas priest
Saxon
Iron maiden
motoerhead
Black sabbath

Yes. Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden. TRUE metal.

Though I'm not that big a fan of it, I do love the Maiden.


Oh, and I can't stand Lynyrd Skynyrd, Their only good song was Freebird (and who can not like that?). But everything else, just........ugh.

They are all metal except maybe Manson(he is more rock).
They just play different kind of metal.

Originally Posted by Dahir

Slipknot, Korn, SOAD -- Not!

Slayer, Anthrax, Hatebreed -- Yes!

Rammstein, Fear Factory, Marilyn Manson -- Not!

Megadeth, Black Sabbath, Testament -- Yes!


This is the great controversy of Heavy Metal. Currently, the 'traditionalist' Heavy Community, myself a member, believe that the above statements are true. *Industrial Metal and Nu Metal are not Heavy Metal.

This verdict I just shared is the subject of controversy.

So, if you are (embarrassingly enough) a Korn or Slipknot fan, come forth and tell us why those [god-awful] bands deserve the heavy metal tag.



*I have SOME respect for Industrial Rock/Metal fans

none of the bands you said weren't heavy metal claim to be. I'm not much of a korn fan but I like slipknot, and I certainly put them under heavy metal (industrial rock perhaps) so really, there is no controversy.

Originally Posted by kscott

Well its a rather pointless controversy because all of them are perversions of real rock music and don't really deserve the title of Rock.

hell, if you go that way, lynard skynard is a perversion of elvis pressly.

Originally Posted by Last Roman

hell, if you go that way, lynard skynard is a perversion of elvis pressly.

Now that is just sick

Originally Posted by Kscott

Now that is just sick

hey, you said it, not me

Well I was more imitating his anti-progressional views more than anything, however at the same time I was saying metal is not Rock merely because I do not like it.

Well they only had five real albums, the first two being the only ones that really produced exceptionally good songs. However we still get a good amount of great songs:

Freebird
Simple Man
Tuesday's Gone
Gimme Three Steps
Sweet Home Alabama
Swamp Music
The Ballad Of Curtis Lowe
Call Me The Breeze

I know thats not an exceptionally long list of great songs, but all their others ones are still pretty good in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Sweet Home Alabama

But whatever. As long as we still both like Pink Floyd, we're good.

Well Sweet Home Alabama is the least Lynyrd Skynyrd Lynyrd Skynyrd song. It is merely a product of popular culture. With the success of their first album its only natural in their second they would make a song that appeals more to pop culture. As such its not really fair to judge the song based on the song. Freebird and Simple man are the best examples of a typical Skynyrd Song done well.

Despite this I find Sweet Home Alabama enjoyable to listen to despite its overly racist undertones.

And I have finally collected every Pink Floyd Album ever made so I am rather happy at the time being

I've considered this issue a number of times (I'm a sucker for classifying genre's ).

I personally cannot stand Nu-Metal. Its a combination of frankly very simplistic instrumentals and bad attempts at rapping, with a bit of DJing thrown in for a bit of "interest". Or at least that goes to the main Nu-Metal bands. Its basically a hash job in my eyes, throwing in bits of various genre's to define itself.

Also- System of a Down really are not Nu-Metal. Lyrical/Vocal style is different, no messing around with DJing, they've implementation of Armenian folk scales, and various other aspects that define them away from Nu-Metal. If I was to be somewhat cynical about them, I'd say they write good music too, something I personally don't consider an aspect of Nu-Metal

Industrial on the other hand, is not traditional metal, that is certain. Although the various instrumentals are not always very complex at all, the combination of their parts adds up to what can be complex music. Industrial is what I consider the opposite of Nu-Metal. Industrial is trying to push things forwards by implementing various new technological developments to create something rather more new and fresh, Nu-Metal is just a hash job of things thrown together with very little effect. Its more stagnation than development.

Admittedly, I'm a little biased in the sense I just happen to really like Industrial, and hate Nu-Metal. I particuarly like Manson, not always for the sound, but his lyrics are quite something else in my eyes. I can't really name someone quite so ambiguous, at least in the mainstream music scene.

"Traditional" Heavy Metal is a dying/dead breed. Not because its bad or anything, but the movement has long since stopped moving forwards, simply because it covered all the posts already. Other forms of Metal are the ones making new stuff basically.

well, in my opinion, Nu metal and undustrial metal is metal, although it is 'metal for pussies'. it shares quite alot of metal features (heavy distortion, minor scales, and several others) it is also an offspring of groove metal. but a guy who listens to nu-metal isn't a 'metalhead'.

p.s. metal originated from rock, but it is not realy a subgenre of rock, it has too many differences.

p.s.s. SOAD are NOT nu-metal. they are folk-thrash metal.

I find this rather amusing, you call these bands controversial.

How about Burzum, and Gorgoroth, now that's controversial.

I'm sorry, but I just can't get into Heavy Metal music, I prefer Classical, Jazz, Blues, Opera, and Classic Rock.

My favorite Metal band though, is Nightwish, my favorite song they have is "Planet Hell".