A simple "What if" theory

[Kamos]

What if Evolution was Gods building block to mankind and all else that exists today, and we can chalk up creating the universe through the big bang to him as well.

I know I probably shouldn't make this topic due to my inexperience and no factual argument, but I'm gonna let you guys/girls take care of that part if you will.

[Tajir]

Its a contradiction of ideas.

Science is nothing more than practice theories that can never be proven, thus you must BELIEVE in science to know 'facts.'

The opposite end of the spectrum is Theism.

[DarkKnight]

Its a contradiction of ideas.

Science is nothing more than practice theories that can never be proven, thus you must BELIEVE in science to know 'facts.'

The opposite end of the spectrum is Theism.

You have a very distorted view of science. Science is observing objective reality and drawing conclusions from said observations. That does not imply BELIEF in the observations and conclusions. It implies the exact opposite.

[Tajir]

You have a very distorted view of science. Science is observing objective reality and drawing conclusions from said observations. That does not imply BELIEF in the observations and conclusions. It implies the exact opposite.

Nope. Its all about how much you believe in a theory.

Like you said, its just an observation that leads to a conclusion.

Now, I can take that observation and give you a million conclusions.

Science is sort of like ad lib.

[Gaidin]

Nope. Its all about how much you believe in a theory.

Like you said, its just an observation that leads to a conclusion.

Now, I can take that observation and give you a million conclusions.

Science is sort of like ad lib.

You seem to be forgetting all about the hypothesis and experimentation stages. But of course those aren't that important. Scientific method only collapses without them.

[Gwendylyn]

Nope. Its all about how much you believe in a theory.

Like you said, its just an observation that leads to a conclusion.

Now, I can take that observation and give you a million conclusions.

Science is sort of like ad lib.

I'd add more, but it's too perfect as is.

[Tajir]

So what you guys are saying is that religion is an idea.

But science is a REALLY COMPLEX idea.

Still an idea. A theory. Tested. Yet unproven.

Science is a sandbox, a single body yet so many potential items to be carved out.

People made science, the same people who can't find the solution for infidelity. People are so full of flaws that to even believe their ideas makes me an fool., simply.

[boofhead]

Kamos that is exactly my belief and has been for a long time.

God set things in motion with the Big Bang, and he knew how things would pan out.

Many people substitute the created (science/nature) for the Creator. They are idolators, and don't even know it. Hell, I think some people here use TWC as their idol.

[boofhead]

If you believe God put the mechanics of the Universe in motion then the "Science" graphic applies; the "Faith" one does not.

[Gwendylyn]

If you believe God put the mechanics of the Universe in motion then the "Science" graphic applies; the "Faith" one does not.

Actually, the faith one still applies, but only inasmuch as it applies to the belief in God as the first cause. After that you shift over to science. Your belief in the individual mechanics doesn't stem from your belief in God; it stems from your acceptance of scientific methodology.

So what you guys are saying is that religion is an idea.

But science is a REALLY COMPLEX idea.

No, we aren't say they are ideas. We are saying Science and Faith are methods for understanding the universe.

The model based on faith is flawed because it has absolutely no ability to correct itself. Understanding of the universe will never be changed or improved under the faith model because nothing can contradict it by its own definition. If contradictions exist they are ignored. The opposite happens in the scientific model.

People made science, the same people who can't find the solution for infidelity. People are so full of flaws that to even believe their ideas makes me an fool., simply.

Solution to infidelity...o_O Have you tried castration yet?

[Gaidin]

Corrected my word choice, changes the intent and target line of my post. My apologies boofhead.

[Idwayreth]

person 1:hey god made fishes and man out of dirt and woman from man's rib and the earth in 7 days.

person 2: hey look guys see how this fin is retracting over the eons? it must prove creation in the bible wrong or at least question it.

person 1:oh wait...I KNOW GOD MUST'VE CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH EVOLUTION.

person 2:did you just make that up?

person 1: yes but it makes some sense

person 2:................................

[Tajir]

I'm not completely saying that science is wrong, but it is a theory at the end of the day. It is our best ESTIMATE as to what is right, not exactly a true answer. We've seen theories get blasted and disproven so lets not get geeked out on some half-witted lab professor's theories.

I'm a Muslim (for those who don't know its identical to Christianity and Judaism), only that Islam focuses deeper on science. My religion puts heavy emphasis on science -- the reason of much attention (aside from politics).

Here are some topics in Islam that deal DIRECTLY with science, not against it:

FIRSTLY: The Quran is a 1400 year old text, never re-written or 'edited' since the day of its conception. Everyone agrees to this, and is a sight of controversy for 'Muslim dark age mentality' -- when indeed the unedited and original Quran (only Quran) is full of scientific realism:

ISLAM AND THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE:

The following verse of the Qur'an (sura 51, verse 47):
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily. We are expanding it."

The first of these verses is sura 55, verse 33: "O assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them save with a Power."

The other two verses are taken from sura 15, (verses 14 and 15). God is speaking of the unbelievers in Makka, as the context of this passage in the sura shows: "Even if We opened unto them a gate to Heaven and they were to continue ascending therein, they would say: our sight is confused as in drunkenness. Nay, we are people bewitched."

The Qur'an reminds us several times that: "(God) subjected the sun and the moon: each one runs its course to an appointed term.

This sentence is to be found in sura 13, verse 2; sura 31, verse 29; sura 35, verse 13 and sura 39, verse 5. In addition to this, the idea of a settled place is associate with the concept of a destination place in sura 36, verse 38: "The Sun runs its course to a settled place. This is the decree of the All Mighty, the Full of Knowledge."

Here is the Full Link:

http://www.islamicity.com/Science/Expansion.shtml

That's ONLY on the Expansion of the Universe.

Here's my Verdict:

Do not believe for a second that I'm against science, I'm not.

I just KNOW for a fact that my religion is far deeper than any one or million idiot and flaw filled scientists can conjure up.

The truth is my faith in religion gives me deep insight into science, trust me! Now why would I put all my faith in some stupid scientist?

Does science provide ethical and anthropological insights? Moral? None.

Never will science replace God. Never.

[Gaidin]

Here's my Verdict:

Do not believe for a second that I'm against science, I'm not.

I just KNOW for a fact that my religion is far deeper than any one or million idiot and flaw filled scientists can conjure up.

Luckily for you this isn't a point against science. Science doesn't try to do anything "deeply". It observes, and explains what it observes. Nothing more, nothing less.

The truth is my faith in religion gives me deep insight into science, trust me! Now why would I put all my faith in some stupid scientist?

They don't want it anyway.

Does science provide ethical and anthropological insights? Moral? None.

It doesn't try to.

Never will science replace God. Never.

It wants nothing to do with God. God doesn't answer the questions science asks.

[Tajir]

It wants nothing to do with God. God doesn't answer the questions science asks.

Science my butt, they don't even have a clear verdict for global warming of all subjects!

Science hasn't cured AIDS.

Science hasn't cured Cancer.

Science has done nothing significant. One unproven THEORY after another.

How many chemistry classes must I take before realizing that mixing substances won't solve any world problems.

[Gaidin]

Science my butt, they don't even have a clear verdict for global warming of all subjects!

Science hasn't cured AIDS.

Science hasn't cured Cancer.

Science has done nothing significant. One unproven THEORY after another.

How many chemistry classes must I take before realizing that mixing substances won't solve any world problems.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You've taken a few chemistry classes and think you are in any way fit or qualified to say science is useless...

Excuse me but...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

wow....

[Wolfcp11]

Who says science and religion cant coexist?
God makes science. Science makes sense. God makes sense.

[Khamarios]

Why is it always science vs God? Why are they always fighting each other? I think science can't survive without Religion, religion can't surivive with science. I think through studying sceince strengthens my fate towards God.

just like an old quote "Science is a way to discover the old man (God)'s secrets"

[removeduser_426582376423734]

@1st post: That argument can only be used if you disregard most of the Old Testament, and certainly Genesis.

[DarkKnight]

Here's my Verdict:

Do not believe for a second that I'm against science, I'm not.

I just KNOW for a fact that my religion is far deeper than any one or million idiot and flaw filled scientists can conjure up.

The truth is my faith in religion gives me deep insight into science, trust me! Now why would I put all my faith in some stupid scientist?

Does science provide ethical and anthropological insights? Moral? None.

Never will science replace God. Never.

May I nominate this for the Most Ignorant Post of the Year Award?

You say that you aren't against science for a second, but then everything following it refutes that.

How does your faith give you a deep insight into science? Really? Did God tell you how to make a cellphone from scrap materials? Did God teach you the mechanics of the universe? This is a hard decision to make, but I think I am going to take the word of a "stupid scientist" who has studied the topic and has empiracle and/or theoretical evidence.

Does science need to provide moral insights? Thats like criticising a history class for not teaching math. Science isn't and never was intended to provide moral insights. You do know that you can be a scientist and get your morals from an outside source, right?

Science has done nothing significant. One unproven THEORY after another.

Ya, now that you mention it, they haven't done anything signficant. I guess I'll just continue to chat on this forum using the internet on my computer, while living in my architechturally designed house. Science seriously hasn't done anything. I remember having that thought last night while I was watching television. I was watching a Simpsons episode and the Simpsons were flying to across the Canadian border to get cheap medicine. Wait, hang on, my cellphone is ringing.


You seem to have misconception that we need to know facts. Things don't have to be facts for them to be applicable. For example, we know that Newtonian Mechanics aren't facts, but they are extremely close approximations which for any practical application (outside of astro and quantum physics) they are for all intensive purposes correct.

Up until the early twentieth century we thought that the Law of Conservation of Energy was correct. However, it was later found that in quantum physics energy can transform into mass and vice-versa. Now, we have the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy. But still, in any mechanics problem, you aren't going to take into consideration any energy gained from mass converting into energy... unless there is a nuclear bomb involved.

But I guess I should leave you to taking your remedial chemistry classes. If you suceed in your crusade against chemistry's application, maybe we can live in a world without modern medicine! That would be great! Tuberculosis for everyone!