Inquisitors, how to make them more "Enjoyable" and not a pain in the a**

[Lord Arne]

Ok.... i've had it.... The Inquisitors is the worst bloody agent in all of MTW2, sneaking up on your best leaders and burning them to ashes. As far as I know the Inquisition have never executed a royal familymember.. So i was thinking about if its possible to make the inquisitors more enjoyable. My first thoughts are that they cant kill your generals and familymembers. Instead, they will execute normal commoners in the region they are in based on the ammount of christians living there. This purge of the unclean can cause a medium/large ammount of religious unrest. By having this unrest, you can be "forced" to lower the taxed so the region wont revolt against you. And ofcourse you need to spread the world of the lord to have the inquisitor calm down and go away, or search for another area.

I dont remember Medieval 1 so much, but I do remember that the inquisitors where enjoyable there. There they "worked" on the commoners instead of the nobility.

Just a little thought after ive been pesterd with 5 inquisitors in my little british island....

[Lopus]

Ahhh ... Lord Arne, M:TW I, you could build inquisitors and send them to prosecute family members and generals alike. Same difference, except now, only the papacy can build them. Keep your piety up, they don't do squat. I've got 3 camped out in England right now, they still haven't succeeded in successfully burning any of my family/generals at the stake, and pretty soon my ace assassin will arrive from Constantinople and remove these thorns from my side.

[tornnight]

MTW2 provides very limited control of generation of inquisitors. We can simply specify what chance there is to create them and how many there can be at one time.

I suppose I could turn them off completely and try to script them in. That kind of think isn't on the top of my priorty list right now though. Campaign scripting will come later.

[dharos]

damn i just sliced my thumb while cooking dinner so this is going to be sucky typing... how the heck do you get your piety up? i had NEVER had a family member killed my an Inquisitor, EVER... until last nite. this was a new member of the family, barely the fourth or fifth turn i had him as i was sending him to a province that needed a governor... all of a sudden an Inquisitor walks up to him from a neighboring province and kills him, an 18 or 19 year old...

every single goddamn province i have has at least a small church and i have several churches and like 1 abbey. my Faction Leader is Protector of the Faith or whatever it is called. something definitely needs to be done to keep the Inquisitors toned down, and if possible, to give all new characters some piety at least to start off with. how is an 18 year old boy (well, man) going to be killled by the inquisitors as soon as they basically come of age? not realistic. i hope something can be done...

[Lopus]

damn i just sliced my thumb while cooking dinner so this is going to be sucky typing... how the heck do you get your piety up? i had NEVER had a family member killed my an Inquisitor, EVER... until last nite. this was a new member of the family, barely the fourth or fifth turn i had him as i was sending him to a province that needed a governor... all of a sudden an Inquisitor walks up to him from a neighboring province and kills him, an 18 or 19 year old...

every single goddamn province i have has at least a small church and i have several churches and like 1 abbey. my Faction Leader is Protector of the Faith or whatever it is called. something definitely needs to be done to keep the Inquisitors toned down, and if possible, to give all new characters some piety at least to start off with. how is an 18 year old boy (well, man) going to be killled by the inquisitors as soon as they basically come of age? not realistic. i hope something can be done...

Well, first of all, try building churches while the character is inside the town/castle. That way his piety level goes up.

[weyland]

damn i just sliced my thumb while cooking dinner so this is going to be sucky typing... how the heck do you get your piety up? i had NEVER had a family member killed my an Inquisitor, EVER... until last nite. this was a new member of the family, barely the fourth or fifth turn i had him as i was sending him to a province that needed a governor... all of a sudden an Inquisitor walks up to him from a neighboring province and kills him, an 18 or 19 year old...

every single goddamn province i have has at least a small church and i have several churches and like 1 abbey. my Faction Leader is Protector of the Faith or whatever it is called. something definitely needs to be done to keep the Inquisitors toned down, and if possible, to give all new characters some piety at least to start off with. how is an 18 year old boy (well, man) going to be killled by the inquisitors as soon as they basically come of age? not realistic. i hope something can be done...

Just last night my Faction Leader was executed for heresy! I was excommunicated at the time -- but if he's the king of a powerful nation and has been banned from the church, why would he submit to a heresy trial at all?

I've had many family members burned by these buggers. Agreed, the way they work in the game is kinda silly.

[tornnight]

Just last night my Faction Leader was executed for heresy! I was excommunicated at the time -- but if he's the king of a powerful nation and has been banned from the church, why would he submit to a heresy trial at all?

I've had many family members burned by these buggers. Agreed, the way they work in the game is kinda silly.

No dispute there.

[Lopus]

Just last night my Faction Leader was executed for heresy! I was excommunicated at the time -- but if he's the king of a powerful nation and has been banned from the church, why would he submit to a heresy trial at all?

I've had many family members burned by these buggers. Agreed, the way they work in the game is kinda silly.

That's why assassins are so nifty to have in your army.

[Axeman]

Inquisitors are annoying yet enjoyable because htey force you to keep thoguths in mind, but having them not only go after nobility would be nice

In addition wouldnt it be nice if you could REQUEST an inquistion in your own province

*now you may think im crazy,but keep reading*

whenever I play as any itallian faction after Im done with my immediate nieghboors and have a nice buffer zone I usually expand into north africa, well it would be much appreciated if I could request an inquisition in say Tripoli and drasitcally bring catholics to tripoli,it would save time but you would probably get an increase in unrest *regular not religous* and you may start loosing garisoned units,just a thought of what you should put on next, don't know if you can do something like that, just an idea

[Lord Arne]

I like Axemans idea. But as Tornnight said, its not on the priority list, and I can live with em as they are now. But if we can ever change it, then Axemans idea is very good in my opinnion

[tornnight]

Inquisitors are annoying yet enjoyable because htey force you to keep thoguths in mind, but having them not only go after nobility would be nice

In addition wouldnt it be nice if you could REQUEST an inquistion in your own province

*now you may think im crazy,but keep reading*

whenever I play as any itallian faction after Im done with my immediate nieghboors and have a nice buffer zone I usually expand into north africa, well it would be much appreciated if I could request an inquisition in say Tripoli and drasitcally bring catholics to tripoli,it would save time but you would probably get an increase in unrest *regular not religous* and you may start loosing garisoned units,just a thought of what you should put on next, don't know if you can do something like that, just an idea

Unfortunately, it's not something I can mod.

[dharos]

that's what i just said. every single one of my towns/castles has a small church at the very least. i very rarely see the piety go up. secondly, it is unrealistic for an inquisitor to kill off a character that just came of age, when they havent even had a chance to prove their piety. the system as is is very unrealistic because you must assume the vast majority of princes and nobles would have a strong religious inculcation at this point in history. for them to come of age with NO piety just makes no sense.

[Lopus]

that's what i just said. every single one of my towns/castles has a small church at the very least. i very rarely see the piety go up. secondly, it is unrealistic for an inquisitor to kill off a character that just came of age, when they havent even had a chance to prove their piety. the system as is is very unrealistic because you must assume the vast majority of princes and nobles would have a strong religious inculcation at this point in history. for them to come of age with NO piety just makes no sense.

No, I meant that the character should be INSIDE the town/castle when the church/chapel is built. That way your piety goes up. Same thing when a priest is built, I think there is a chance for it to go up as well. Depends on what mod/s (if any) you are using.

[Lord Arne]

well, its not a prority to fix the inquisitors, but they sure are anoying when they arrive. One problem I have tho is that my Family members and generals are all walking bastions of blasphemy! even if I keep them near priests all the time, uppgrade the churches as soon as possible. Maybe giving having the familymembers to start at 2 or 3 piety when they are created can help.

[garion333]

that's what i just said. every single one of my towns/castles has a small church at the very least. i very rarely see the piety go up. secondly, it is unrealistic for an inquisitor to kill off a character that just came of age, when they havent even had a chance to prove their piety. the system as is is very unrealistic because you must assume the vast majority of princes and nobles would have a strong religious inculcation at this point in history. for them to come of age with NO piety just makes no sense.

To add to what Lopus said:

Having a priest in your army raises a general's piety over time.

Crusades, definitely. This is probably the easiest way to gain piety. Correction, sure-fire way to gain piety.

In battles release prisoners, do not execute or ransom. Don't chase them down and exterminate them. Possibly. This obviously has to do with chivalry, but I'm not certain about piety. Same goes for not using sacking or exterminating. Use occupy. Maybe. Can't be certain of the piety issue on this because you can have generals with piety and dread, so . . . .

You could edit the character traits. See: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=general+piety

[Irishmafia2020]

You can always use the exploit wherein you trap the inquisitor in a box of your troop and he dies after being surrounded. That requires a lot of micromanaging and it is a cheat, but it seems only fair given the capricious nature of the inquisition.

[Lord Arne]

I've done it a few times, but they allways want to send in a new one very soon after the first one where killed.

[tornnight]

I'm going to reduce the number of inquisitors overall.

Remember. Don't let your provinces get too much heresy.

[Lord Arne]

I'm going to reduce the number of inquisitors overall.

Remember. Don't let your provinces get too much heresy.

Will this be in the Beta 3 of 1.9? Im just curious

[tornnight]

Yep.