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    Default Is feeding pork to Muslims wrong?

    Now here's something to ponder on.

    I just read, that in Antwerp in Belgium, schools will begin serving Halal-meat and only Halal-meat on school trips in order to attract the Muslim pupils along for a day of fun and learning. I understand the turn-out of this particular segment of the overall student body has been somewhat lacking in the past.

    Anyway, according to my Well Placed Sources, this or that minister behind the initiative reportedly commented on the complaints filed by some mildly displeased Flemings somewhere along the lines of: "I don't see the problem. We could have kept this a secret, and no one would've found out."

    She is perhaps right, that no one would've found out. But what about imposing religious dogma on pupils, in our secular socities? But enough of that, that is politics and religions and stuff. This thread is not meant to be too serious. To the point: I started thinking, why not do the opposite. Let the Flemings claim it to be halal, while in actual fact it isn't. Its also cheaper that way, the economist in me says. Is this morally more right, or more wrong?

    The whole debacle brings to mind a scene from my formative years in an international British school in a country far, far away. I was sitting in the school canteen with some of my friends, one of whom was Iranian. He was from a pretty secular family and he would drink alcohol and did his best to score with chicks. So, back to the canteen. I was sitting there, in the canteen, and as the Iranian got up to refill his glass of water, I spontaneously switched his chicken for my pork. He comes back and continues eating. My friends and I are holding our breath and our laughter, as if we'd hidden excrement in his dish. We are unable to hold it any longer, and we spill the beans. At first our friend was a little shocked, it was obvious he had never eaten pork before despite his secular background. Soon enough, apparently realizing he was still alive and breathing and not smitten down, he joined in on the laughter.

    And before I leave you to your flames, another incident springs to mind. Namely, the soup-kitchens of France. I can't for the sake of me remember which city this incident occurred in, but it occurred nonetheless. There was a soup-kitchen serving traditional French soup, that cointains pork, to the homeless. It is to be admitted, the group behind the endeavour did have some links to the "French xenophobic right". The soup-kitchen was declared discriminatory and thus promptly banned/illegalized/shunned. Its not as if its physically impossible for Muslims to dine on pork, they choose to abstain from it. So why rid all the fine non-Muslim hoboes of their nutrition?

    Is the answer to just tell a white lie and insist that the dishes are halal and pork-free?

    Let us contemplate.
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    Is it wrong to force a christian to sin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idwayreth View Post
    Is it wrong to force a christian to sin?
    Christians are all sinners anyway.
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    Hmm, I thought I had posted in this thread already, guess not.

    And I voted wrong. I read the thread title "Is feeding pork to Muslims wrong?" saw the poll choice "yes" and clicked ok. Then read "Is it ok to feed Muslims pork?"

    Anyway, I think that it's wrong to feed muslims pork if they abstain from it. Even though I don't agree with some other people's religions, I will respect their rights to follow that religion, just as I would hope people allow me to follow mine.

    Plus it's like making out with a hot chick only to later learn that she was a dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Hmm, I thought I had posted in this thread already, guess not.

    And I voted wrong. I read the thread title "Is feeding pork to Muslims wrong?" saw the poll choice "yes" and clicked ok. Then read "Is it ok to feed Muslims pork?"

    Anyway, I think that it's wrong to feed muslims pork if they abstain from it. Even though I don't agree with some other people's religions, I will respect their rights to follow that religion, just as I would hope people allow me to follow mine.

    Plus it's like making out with a hot chick only to later learn that she was a dude.

    I swear this has never happened to me
    Sorry about that. Its been a while since I posted any polls and the system has changed slightly. My bad for posting a duplicate thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri View Post
    Sorry about that. Its been a while since I posted any polls and the system has changed slightly. My bad for posting a duplicate thread.
    Lol, I get it now, I just now saw that there were two threads

    That confused the hell out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Hmm, I thought I had posted in this thread already, guess not.

    And I voted wrong. I read the thread title "Is feeding pork to Muslims wrong?" saw the poll choice "yes" and clicked ok. Then read "Is it ok to feed Muslims pork?"
    I did the same thing assuming the poll was stated as the thread title....So NO, it's not ok to feed a Muslim pork unless they agree to eat it. As for the Muslim in question, if he/she didn't know then it wouldn't be an outright sin on their part as it was fed to them unwittingly but it is still wrong to do something like that to someone if they believe that wholly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri View Post
    Christians are all sinners anyway.
    Everyone is, but the true ones try not to.
    Yes, it is bad. It is not as if it is against the religion of other kids to eat Halal-approved food, so there is no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idwayreth View Post
    Is it wrong to force a christian to sin?
    if they dont know about it, they are ignorant and therefore innocent, so it doesnt hurt them. somebody needs to learn more bout christianity before they say stuff about it.

    also why do i, an atheist, have to be explaining this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiàhóu XiangLong View Post
    if they dont know about it, they are ignorant and therefore innocent, so it doesnt hurt them. somebody needs to learn more bout christianity before they say stuff about it.

    also why do i, an atheist, have to be explaining this stuff.
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    I think you should tell the Muslims that it is pork. They try to keep their religion, and it's not right for you to interfere.

    And before I leave you to your flames, another incident springs to mind. Namely, the soup-kitchens of France. I can't for the sake of me remember which city this incident occurred in, but it occurred nonetheless. There was a soup-kitchen serving traditional French soup, that cointains pork, to the homeless. It is to be admitted, the group behind the endeavour did have some links to the "French xenophobic right". The soup-kitchen was declared discriminatory and thus promptly banned/illegalized/shunned. Its not as if its physically impossible for Muslims to dine on pork, they choose to abstain from it. So why rid all the fine non-Muslim hoboes of their nutrition?
    Though that's just completely disgusting. I hate that.

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    Why not simply serve pork and ignore complaints? I mean, it seems like it'd be easier to do that and say, "well, if you're not gonna eat it, bring your own lunch", and leave it at that.

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    If they have chosen to abstain from pork, it is morally wrong (and so is giving them pork secretly). Now, if someone should hide boiled carrots (yuch!) in my food, it would be a nice prank, although foolish. But giving pork to committed muslim doesn't sound right, since they have a good reason to not to eat it, the religion. I respect everyone's freedom to choose what they eat. Eating is a sacred thing, and should not be messed with.
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    There is no good reason to not eat pork. Even if they don't want pork, they can simply not eat it and just bring a sack lunch or buy food from McDonald's or something like that, in the case of school lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    There is no good reason to not eat pork. Even if they don't want pork, they can simply not eat it and just bring a sack lunch or buy food from McDonald's or something like that, in the case of school lunch.
    Does McDonalds serve halal meat? Probably not I would think...:hmmm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balikedes View Post
    Does McDonalds serve halal meat? Probably not I would think...:hmmm:
    Yes, in my country and some others in SE Asia. Not sure if they practice this elsewhere. We want harmony therefore we respect each other race, culture and religion. Failing so will be the root cause of all problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    There is no good reason to not eat pork. Even if they don't want pork, they can simply not eat it and just bring a sack lunch or buy food from McDonald's or something like that, in the case of school lunch.
    So, religion or your own choice isn't a good reason? If they simply don't want pork, that's enough reason for me. Of course this doesn't mean that pork should be replaced, they can just eat something else. Fair enough.

    E: I wonder if the title distracted someone, it says "Is feeding pork to muslims wrong", and the question says "Is it ok to feed muslims pork". Almost got me there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balikedes View Post
    Does McDonalds serve halal meat? Probably not I would think...:hmmm:
    What the **** is "halal meat"?

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    So, religion isn't a good reason?
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    everyone should be forced to eat bacon. Lots and lots of bacon.

    seriously though, if the muslims dont want to eat it thats their loss, they'll never know the greatness of bacon. If they complain about the problem to us just put a hand up and say "walk away"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavastein View Post
    everyone should be forced to eat bacon. Lots and lots of bacon.

    seriously though, if the muslims dont want to eat it thats their loss, they'll never know the greatness of bacon. If they complain about the problem to us just put a hand up and say "walk away"
    First of all I need to say I made a mistake with the vote. Not sleeping for 30 or so hours left my vision a little blurry and I chose the wrong option. So my vote should be NOT OK to feed pork to muslims.

    Now you are right Lavastein that if they don't want to eat pork it's their loss. One of my favorite snacks is bacon cheddar melts, in other words cheddar melted over bacon. Tasty. Now what you should know is that muslims don't care if others want to eat pork, they don't care if you race pigs, eat them or marry them. They don't even dislike pigs, they just don't EAT them.

    Greve Armfelt was also partially right about why muslims don't eat pork, one of the other reasons is that back in those days swine was dangerous to eat because of unsanitary slaughtering practices and improper cooking led to many people getting sick and dying.

    Maximillian 'halal' meat basically means meat that has been properly slaughtered in accordance to Islamic tradition. Halal essentially means permissible. If a muslim can't find a place to buy halal meat, it is acceptable to eat kosher meat since that is the closest thing to halal meat.

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