Senatorii Amendment

**Kscott** · February 09, 2007, 09:44 PM

Proposer:
Kscott

Supporters:
MadBurgerMaker ; Belisarius

Idea:
To give Content Editors the right to Senatorii. All content is officially Content Staff now, and I think it is only fair to give content equal reward for their service.

The text has been amended to (1)give content Editors the rank of Senatorii provided their service exceeded 12 weeks.(2) get rid of the vestal Triumvirate veto.

Original Text

Senatorii
Any Citizen who gains the rank of Magistrate will gain the rank of Senatorii. They will retain it upon retirement if time served as moderator exceeds twelve weeks and upon unanimous agreement of the Triumvirate. The Senatorii rank confers no advantage, save status. The secondary rank – Civitate, Artifex or Patrician is the one that determines where the member has access or the legibility for elections, unless stated differently.

Amended Text

Any Citizen who gains the rank of Magistrate or Content Editor will gain the rank of Senatorii provided his or her service exceeds twelve weeks. The Senatorii rank confers no advantage, save status. The secondary rank – Civitate, Artifex or Patrician is the one that determines where the member has access or the legibility for elections, unless stated differently.

**Sétanta** · February 09, 2007, 11:17 PM

What exactly is a Content Editor?

**Kscott** · February 09, 2007, 11:20 PM

Editor of the Helios(Ozymandias), Editor of the Podcasts(Evariste), Editor of the Eagle Standard(Bulgaronctos), and Editor of General Sun's Tent(General Sun

).

I originally thought all content, but honestly im not sure if the workload can be compared to moderators, unless of course were talking about editors.

**The Walrus** · February 09, 2007, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Kscott

Editor of the Helios(Ozymandias), Editor of the Podcasts(Evariste), Editor of the Eagle Standard(Bulgaronctos), and Editor of General Sun's Tent(General Sun

).

I originally thought all content, but honestly im not sure if the workload can be compared to moderators, unless of course were talking about editors.

It can be compared. It can sometimes take more then one long PM to finish an interview. Plus getting pictures for the interview, plus posting it in the forum(then the editors edit it), then ask for time to put your interview on the front page, then have Gig put it up, then break open the beer and sit back. To be honest, I'm speaking only from the Eagle Standard point of view. If we do go for all content staff, then there needs to be for the contributor- X amount of articles and/or X amount of time served. For the editor, I guess just X amount of time served.(both were for the ES)

EDIT: I would support if you changed it from content editors to content staff

**MadBurgerMaker** · February 10, 2007, 01:03 AM

I like this idea. These guys put a lot of work into what they do.

I support this.

**Kscott** · February 10, 2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Dinadan

EDIT: I would support if you changed it from content editors to content staff

Im sorry mate. I know you do alot of work, but not equal amount as moderators. Sure an interview is hard, but it is not the same as moderating day to day.

tBP, essentially the new structure is already in place. All that is to be added is the elected officials.

Isn't this a more Opifex related thing? Senatorii has always been and should always remain for service to moderating staff.

Why should that always be? We should not continue something for sake of tradition.

I have yet to be persuaded of this... especially given the medals. Would those supporters say why the honour of Senatorii is more appropriate than medals for content staff and editors?

The same argument could be made for reg staff. Perhaps medals is more suiting, but if one is to get senatorii, so should Content Editors.

**Sétanta** · February 10, 2007, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Kscott

Editor of the Helios(Ozymandias), Editor of the Podcasts(Evariste), Editor of the Eagle Standard(Bulgaronctos), and Editor of General Sun's Tent(General Sun

).

I originally thought all content, but honestly im not sure if the workload can be compared to moderators, unless of course were talking about editors.

Them, for sure, but I think you are underestimating the workload of all of staff, even the non moderating ones. I think opening the rank up to all of Staff including Content and Moderators is a good idea (helios/ES/podcast staff as well as librarians).

**Tom Paine** · February 10, 2007, 05:25 AM

I disagree. Mainly because I know what I put my staff through. The staff do not have to do the organisational stuff, only write and complete and article; it will then be edited, organised into a publication, got front-page advertising from gigagaia, and so on by the Editor. That is what the job of editor entails. If the editor is not doing that, to be honest you need to complain; your only job is and should be to get the articles written and in to the editor. So some award, yes, but not that of Senatorii. Medals make more sense throughout Content, both staff and editors.

**Belisarius** · February 10, 2007, 07:15 AM

I support.

**the Black Prince** · February 10, 2007, 07:36 AM

i do not support
and incidentally, i'm a Podcast editor too... there's two of us...

this is something best left until overall management changes have been implemented by senior staff.

we have presented to us a number of differing ideas about the overall structure of TWC.... and the balances of power that will result.

this amendment should wait until such changes have been implemented, and then be done comprehensively to reflect all the changes made, not piecemeal.

for instance, many of the new "visions" of TWC include technical staff... we may want to consider where they fit into this as well. It seems likely TWC is going to end up with some kind of structure whereby we have a senior staff, and under them, 3 branches of junior staff - content, moderation, and technical.

some visions include an even more hierarchical approach with senior staff, global mods/editors and mods/content staff.

it may then be that in order for the senatorii rank to continue to have any merit and significance, in such a scenario we decide to award it only to senior and managerial staff, and not to junior staffers, and we award them patrician instead. or something.

basically, my point is, lets wait and see what overall staff structure we ultimately end up with, and thren adjust ALL the other ranks to reflect this, rather than expanding this one rank on a piecemeal approach that may ultimately not be best reflected in the new staff structure.

while i do not support at the current time for reasons outlined, i reserve the right to support the basic idea expressed here, if proposed at a more opportune moment.

i also strongly advocate that now is the time to move beyond every other member posting their own "vision" of TWC staff and structure, and work to actually make some combination of these visions the reality.

**Tom Paine** · February 10, 2007, 07:36 AM

I have yet to be persuaded of this... especially given the medals. Would those supporters say why the honour of Senatorii is more appropriate than medals for content staff and editors?

**Belisarius** · February 10, 2007, 08:02 AM

They can have both, same as moderators can have numerous medals and still be awarded Senatorii.

**Tom Paine** · February 10, 2007, 08:09 AM

For the same thing? I think not. Content is a medal-worthy achievement; senatorii is a rank based around moderating, and the seriously large amount of daily effort that goes into that, whereas content (even the editors) do not have to go to that much effort.

**Belisarius** · February 10, 2007, 08:17 AM

I beg to differ, content always took me as much time and effort as moderating. But am emphasis could be made on the amount of work done. An example of how much time content can take up is the creating and updating and not to mention organisation of front page updates or other tedious things like when I had to upload all the pictures for the FAUST, An ES interview and not to mention the MTW screenshots.

**Perikles** · February 10, 2007, 08:28 AM

Isn't this a more Opifex related thing? Senatorii has always been and should always remain for service to moderating staff.

**Halie Satanus** · February 10, 2007, 08:28 AM

Senatorii is a well established rank given for past services in staff and should be kept as such. This would also cause a problem with the proposed Senatorii tribunal, which is a far better idea than this.

I oppose.

I think the medals idea should suffice in this respect anyway.

**Tom Paine** · February 10, 2007, 08:29 AM

Content Manager is another matter, since that is being made a staff position almost universally; this proposal extends it to editors... for whom, much of that is not a concern, or at least not nearly to the same extent.

**Spartan** · February 10, 2007, 01:09 PM

I like the idea in principle however I have to agree with tBP on this topic right now. The house needs to be built before we start to to furnish it.

**imb39** · February 10, 2007, 03:41 PM

To be honest, I am not keen on the rank of Senatorii to be bestowed, but I do think that some recognition should be made. Hack springs to mind.

**Simetrical** · February 10, 2007, 10:50 PM

I don't think this is the best time to propose this bill. Also, probably the "upon agreement of the Triumvirate" should be changed to "upon agreement of the Strategoi", not removed entirely (what about dishonorable discharge or someone who did absolutely nothing?).