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    U.N. troops sent tanks and armor Thursday to a tense area along the frontier with Israel to try to determine whether an Israeli bulldozer crossed into Lebanon, sparking the first shootout since last summer's Hezbollah-Israel war.

    The brief exchange of fire Wednesday night was the first involving Lebanese troops and the Israelis since the Lebanese army deployed in September to southern Lebanon to work alongside international peacekeepers.

    In New York, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed deep concern at the shootout and called on all parties to "exercise maximum
    restraint" so as not to "endanger the fragile calm that prevails in southern Lebanon," U.N. spokeswoman Michele Montas said.

    Lebanese officials said their troops fired on an Israeli army bulldozer that had crossed the border near the village of Maroun el-Rass, scene of heavy fighting in the summer. The bulldozer crossed the so-called Blue Line _ the U.N.-demarcated boundary _ and drove about 45 feet into Lebanon, Lebanese military officials said.

    Israel said the shooting lasted for a few minutes and maintained its army acted inside its own territory. There were no casualties.

    "We have a strong interest in keeping a quiet border, but we will not allow violations of our territorial sovereignty," warned Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisin.

    Lebanese President Emile Lahoud lauded the army's action in opening fire at the Israelis, while Prime Minister Fuad Saniora told U.N. envoy Geir Pedersen the bulldozer's incursion compounded the daily violations of Lebanese sovereignty by Israeli aircraft flying over the country.

    Despite the stern rhetoric, the incident was not expected to undermine the cease-fire that has held since Aug. 14.

    Still, the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon described the clash as a "serious incident" and sent two French Leclerc battle tanks and at least four armored personnel carriers to the area outside Maroun el-Rass.

    More armored vehicles patrolled a dirt road next to the Israeli border fence, leaving a trail of mud through a lush green valley. A white U.N. helicopter flew overhead.

    "Our people deployed ... so that everybody can see peacekeepers are taking care of the area," Lt.-Col. Michael Busching, a German naval officer with UNIFIL's military Public Information Office, told The Associated Press at the scene.

    Liam McDowell, a spokesman for the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, said the exchange was "initiated by the Lebanese army" and that the Israeli bulldozer had crossed the "technical fence" to clear mines.

    Crossing the technical fence would not violate the border, but crossing the Blue Line would. The U.N. drew up the line when Israeli forces ended their 18-year occupation of a slice of southern Lebanon in 2000.

    McDowell said UNIFIL was assessing whether Israeli troops had crossed the Blue Line.

    Israel said its troops went through the fence to search for explosives allegedly planted by Hezbollah on Monday, but that Israeli forces remained south of the international border and within Israeli territory _ which stretches beyond the fence.

    Hezbollah has denied planting explosives, saying they were laid before the war.

    The Lebanese army said Thursday that the bulldozer was backed by tanks and armored carriers, with Israeli helicopters flying overhead, as it moved soil to clear terrain "under the pretext of removing explosives."

    It said the Israelis responded, firing on a Lebanese army position inside Lebanese territory and damaging an armored personnel carrier but causing no casualties.

    The Israeli military carried out two overflights early Thursday over Lebanon, which it says are needed to monitor whether Hezbollah is being rearmed in violation of the cease-fire.

    French officers, joined by a Lebanese liaison officer, would not speak to journalists Thursday, but were overheard saying the Blue Line was not visibly marked in the area.

    About 100 yards on the other side, another U.N. team worked with an Israeli officer.

    For a complete survey, the teams would have to retrace the bulldozer's path, which is fenced off by razor wire because it is believed to contain mines and other explosives. Chinese de-mining troops were brought later Thursday to stage controlled explosions to clear the path.

    Meanwhile, the bulldozer in question was idle, parked inside Israeli territory. Freshly turned soil was visible outside the "technical fence."

    In the hilltop village of Maroun el-Rass, which Israeli troops fought their way into during the 34-day war, many houses were destroyed or pockmarked with shell and gunfire from the summer fighting.

    "I'm not afraid," Suleiman Karnib, 31, said as he puffed a cigarette inside a grocery stored. Even if it were so, "where would I go?"
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    So who started the confrontation? Judging from what I read, it seems Israel again disobeyed the UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin View Post
    So who started the confrontation? Judging from what I read, it seems Israel again disobeyed the UN.

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    Again disopbeyed? You act as if the UN has power. Who the hell cares what the UN says or thinks? It's a fricken platform for the dictators and thugs to complain about the west.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    JP226, we're supposed to follow what the U.N says. America and Israel seem to be the only ones who feel they are 'above the law'. And because of them feeling they are 'above the law', my people die in the thousands each year. How do you think that makes me feel to look at the statistics and see that 1/3 of all those killed in Lebanon's war last year were children?

    [I]Children.[I] Does that even phase you? I mean. I understand it's not your country. But due to the fact that they felt 'above the law', those children and their families died. So how does them disobeying the U.N seem as though that's justification enough to kill people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin45 View Post
    JP226, we're supposed to follow what the U.N says. America and Israel seem to be the only ones who feel they are 'above the law'. And because of them feeling they are 'above the law', my people die in the thousands each year. How do you think that makes me feel to look at the statistics and see that 1/3 of all those killed in Lebanon's war last year were children?
    Why the hell should anyone follow the UN's rule? It's a mob deciding how developed countries ought to function.

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    So then you support the killing of thousands of civilians?

    Or wait. You support over 1 million cluster bombs being fired into Lebanon at random? Most landing in towns and farms? Your ok with that?

    If so. Then that's truly disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin45 View Post
    So then you support the killing of thousands of civilians?
    So if I don't support the UN, I am a child hater. I enjoy our conversations. I support each country solving their own problems. It's not my country's job (Canada) nor other country's job to solve the world’s problems.

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    [i]Children.[i] Does that even phase you? I mean. I understand it's not your country. But due to the fact that they felt 'above the law', those children and their families died. So how does them disobeying the U.N seem as though that's justification enough to kill people?
    awww that's so sad, how many children dies from poor economic polices that followed the UN's wishes? Let's see, that's a majority of Africa, alot of countries in the mideast, granted that's a otugher situation and quite a few in southeast asia and latin america. If we are using children then...
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    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    So then, your saying that killing people just because you do not respect the U.N is completely a-ok?

    If so, then you should reinspect your thought process. Because somewhere along the line, your not processing something correctly. Killing children, women and men who are not fighting is not right.
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    I'm not saying that. But, common sense tells you not to fire 1.2 million cluster bombs into a country. Knowing for sure that those 1.2 million bombs are over 15+ years old and will not blow up upon impact. Do you see what I am saying? So, naturally following a U.N rule would come into the act there. It's just... Humanitarian I suppose? I don't know. Just, logical thought tells you not to fire that many weapons that won't blow up into a country filled with civilians, which are the people who you will be harming in with them.

    Oh and. Canada, as far as I know, doesn't do anything in the war on terror anyway. Oh and I understand, it's not the responsibilty of any country to help another cuontry in it's problems. However, why does America seem to have the need to 'liberate' all these 3rd world countries that have lots of natural resources? Hrmmmmm?

    I had a feeling I was going to lead into that, as much as I tried not to.

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    So should the UN just be disbanded since it is only a platform for dictators to whine?


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    I cannot help but envy the relationship that Israel has with its neighbors. I wish my government would shoot anything or anybody that crosses the border.

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    Hm. Im wondering why an Israeli bulldozer would just drive across the border by itself. :hmmm:

    Dumbass driver, maybe?
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    wait so Lebanon has an "Army" now , where have they been the past months ? conducting War Exercises in the north ?
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    But, common sense tells you not to fire 1.2 million cluster bombs into a country.
    Actually, common sense tells me to leave the Israelis alone. You would think that after the 1948 War of Independence, the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War that people would learn not to poke the bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkragnar View Post
    wait so Lebanon has an "Army" now , where have they been the past months ? conducting War Exercises in the north ?
    You'd have to ask their Syrian overlords since any Lebanese tired of being caught in the middle of this nonsense ends up dead when they speak up making it impossible for them to do anything that displeases the Syrians. Obviously they want the Lebanese "army" in the south now.

    Hm. Im wondering why an Israeli bulldozer would just drive across the border by itself.
    Gasp you mean to suggest this entire incident could be the result of a bulldozer driver who went the wrong way?! Why that is simple and makes so much logical sense it is absolutely outrageous that you could suggest such a sensible reason! Surely driving a defenseless bulldozer across the border to provoke a fire fight and an international incident is the the REAL reason! You sir I demand you retract your comment and refrain from offering logical, plausible reasons why something happened in the future we will not tolerate such things here. We must therefor assume this was a plot by the evil Jews known thru out history for their sinister plots from killing Jesus to faking the deaths of 6 million of their kindred that this was nothing short an act of terrorism. The bulldozer was no doubt full of cluster bomblets and dropped them on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Gasp you mean to suggest this entire incident could be the result of a bulldozer driver who went the wrong way?!
    No way!

    We must therefor assume this was a plot by the evil Jews
    Yes. Clearly a Zionist plot. The driver was obviously the Jewish version of Rambo disguised as a lowly, lost enlisted guy in order to secretly infiltrate the ranks of the benevolent and peace loving group known as "Hezbollah." In a bulldozer.
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    This just in! Jewish man scuffs the expensive italian shoes of a Palestinian man with his dirty, cheap sneakers at a Tel Aviv public transit station. Thousands seek refuge in makeshift bunkers and millions cower at home as tensions boil over.

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    So no one else wonders why a bulldozer was immediately fired upon when it crossed the border instead of maybe trying to figure out why it was crossing the border in the first place?

    Typical of Lebanon and it's allies.
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