(Moved to Vote) Artifex and Civitates Amendment

[Lusted]

(it's been about a year since i've done one of these ) Based on the discussions in this thread.

Proposer: Lusted
Supporters: Tacticalwithdrawal, Darth Frigus, the Black Prince, Last Roman, Spirit of Rob, silver guard, selenius4tsd, Fabolous, Spartan, Asterix, Sir Dinadan, halie satanus

The Citizen section of the Syntagma will be amended to read as follows:

• Citizen
  Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the forum as per the Patronization section of the Syntagma. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, and Civitates, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the site, whether in TW or CC. The third one will be a plain Citizens badge for those who want to identify with either.
  
  • All Citizens of TWC have rights to post within the Curia forum, as stated in the Curia section of the Syntagma.
  • All Citizens are granted access to the Symposium
  • All Citizens may nominate other members for Citizenship as per the "Patronization" section of the Syntagma.
  • All Citizens are voted on in the same way, the decision on which badge they choose is made once they have passed the vote.

Existing citizen section of Syntagma:

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• Citizen
  Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the forum as per the Patronization section of the Syntagma. There are two ranks of Citizen, one is elevated for their contributions to the Total War Community (Artifex), the other is elevated for their contribution to the Common Community (Civitate).
  
  • All Citizens of TWC have limited rights to post within the Curia forum, as stated in the Curia section of the Syntagma.
  • All Citizens are granted access to the Symposium and the [insert name of new forum dedicated for advanced discussion of Total War.]
  • All Citizens may nominate other members for Citizenship as per the "Patronization" section of the Syntagma.

[The Walrus]

I support this. It enables modders to know modders quicker at glance and debaters know debaters quicker at glance. It also enables newer members to know that generally citizens with a civitate badge are the debaters and citizens with the artifex badge are the modders.

[makanyane]

I support too.
and anything that doesn't imply I'm meant to be an accomplished debater is very welcome.

[Amroth]

I support.

[Lusted]

3 supporters in half an hour, not bad at all.

[Spiff]

Why delete the bit about the Symposium?

Anyway, i don't really see how this changes how things are currently done - since in some cdec votes candidates haven't chosen which badge they would prefer until half way through the vote or indeed after.

[Lusted]

Why delete the bit about the Symposium?

Erm, oops?

Anyway, i don't really see how this changes how things are currently done - since in some cdec votes candidates haven't chosen which badge they would prefer until half way through the vote or indeed after.

Simplifies things, and means that everyone is voted on based on the same requirements instead of being voted upon differently because they are Artifex or Civitates.

[Halie Satanus]

I support. It was mentioned many moons ago in the COW that the Patrician and the Client should discuss which version of the rank they went for. To me it has always been the same thing, making it so reflected in the syntagma

(did i just say 'making it so reflected')

is a good idea.

[Spartan]

I support this proposal.

[Fabolous]

Can we change artifex to be for modding instead of for those who have "contributed to the TW side of the site"?

[spirit_of_rob]

I support makes sense to me for the reasons Sir Dinadan said

[Spartan]

Can we change artifex to be for modding instead of for those who have "contributed to the TW side of the site"?

That would nice indeed.

[Professor420]

I'm still curious why this needs to be changed at all in the first place... I'm not adverse to change (obviously), but does this bill mean anything? I'm not going to object to it on those grounds, I just wish someone could explain to me what it means...

[the Black Prince]

so Fabolous, Civitates is for people from the CC side, and Artifex is for the modding side... but what about those people made citizen for their TW contributions? do they get a third badge?

[Simetrical]

so Fabolous, Civitates is for people from the CC side, and Artifex is for the modding side... but what about those people made citizen for their TW contributions? do they get a third badge?

Civitates should be for debate and discussion, Artifex for modding. That's the most intuitive way to do it: just look at the rank picture for Artifex, after all. There's a much larger difference between a good modder and a good TW discuss-er than between a good TW discuss-er and a good CC discuss-er. If that change is made, I support.

[Spartan]

I was under the impression that the CC was the TW side. Hmmmm.....

[Silver Guard]

No Spartan:
CC: Common community, Therma Devia, Ethos ect.
TW: Hosted modifications, mod threads ect.

[Spartan]

No Spartan:
CC: Common community, Therma Devia, Ethos ect.
TW: Hosted modifications, mod threads ect.

Given that this is a TW community and the CC area was set up for non TW discussions it would stand to reason methinks that all things are TW and the distinction we now make for the CC is nice gesture to some and therefore a moot issue. The distinction being made for modders is that they have added value to the game that this community was created for as a sign of recognition for their efforts to enhance this TW community.

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

simplest answer may be to have a third option, which is that the citizen does not have to choose a badge.

So, people who are modders can choose to show they are modders, people who live in the CC can choose that badge, but people who don't particularly identify themselves with a single area could just remain plain citizens.

[the Black Prince]

i wonder how many modders, if required to pro-actively do something about getting their badge actually would?
i like Tacs suggestion though