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[mishkin]

So if tomorrow Wikipedia said the opposite, would you concede the opposite to be the truth?

The information presented on Wikipedia requires sources and there are discussions about its contents. If tomorrow Wikipedia says something else based on credible sources and arguments, perhaps (have I ever said that Wikipedia is my only source of information?) I will change my mind.

Perhaps you would like to submit a serious journalistic article on the subject describing iit as something different from what I have previously stated?

[mishkin]

doble

[fkizz]

The information presented on Wikipedia requires sources and there are discussions about its contents. If tomorrow Wikipedia says something else based on credible sources and arguments, perhaps (have I ever said that Wikipedia is my only source of information?) I will change my mind.

Perhaps you would like to submit a serious journalistic article on the subject describing iit as something different from what I have previously stated?

OP spent the past year digging all sources and interviewing people directly involved in the issue, why don't you ask him instead?
In this thread he's possibly the one with the most effort in researching this topic.

Well OP did try but it was all "debonked" because.. Wikipedia, hence my quesiton.

[mishkin]

In case you haven't noticed, the creator of this discussion has had zero interest in answering most of the questions and has only presented as sources his interviews with some individuals who I don't know where the hell they came from or if they are even real.

If you want to debate something (he didn't want to), go ahead and state your point of view.

[fkizz]

To be fair, there wasn't much reasoning or even rethoric presented other than "misoginy therefore I'm morally superior" and "wikipedia", that's not debating either.

Only normal one would lose interest.

[TachyonBlue]

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[TachyonBlue]

In case you haven't noticed, the creator of this discussion has had zero interest in answering most of the questions and has only presented as sources his interviews with some individuals who I don't know where the hell they came from or if they are even real.

If you want to debate something (he didn't want to), go ahead and state your point of view.

What questions did I refuse to answer?

[mishkin]

Are you going to interview Zoe Quinn?

What was the beginning of all this if not the slanders of an ex-boyfriend against a woman and how the public took advantage of these lies to attack her and her work?

Don't you think that the cases of doxing, harassment and threats of rape make any honest goals that gamergaters might have pale in comparison?

Can you say exactly what cases of unethical journalism you are talking about?

Do you think that twenty or ten years ago the world of video games and gamers was misogynistic or just ok?

[chriscase]

Another way to focus the discussion might be to look at the events through the lens of the kids who participated, mostly (I guess) for the lulz.

[TachyonBlue]

Why didn't you ask these questions in the AMA, Mishkin and instead claim that I was dodging them?

Are you going to interview Zoe Quinn?

Zoe Quinn was invited to participate in the project, though I don't believe she is going to take me up on that.

What was the beginning of all this if not the slanders of an ex-boyfriend against a woman and how the public took advantage of these lies to attack her and her work?

In order for it to be libel, it would need to be false. Though the issue is more with the journalist, than it is with the developer.

Don't you think that the cases of doxing, harassment and threats of rape make any honest goals that gamergaters might have pale in comparison?

What makes you think that the GamerGate community was generally supportive of things like that?

Can you say exactly what cases of unethical journalism you are talking about?

I went over one earlier in the AMA. You can find plenty of others on DeepFreeze. https://deepfreeze.it/

Do you think that twenty or ten years ago the world of video games and gamers was misogynistic or just ok?

I don't know, how would we measure that? My default assumption would be that people who play video games aren't any more misogynistic than the general public. I would assume that the average gamer is probably younger than the average American, so would probably skew slightly more to the left on social issues, both today and a decade ago. Indeed we know that the GamerGate people skewed to the left on social issues from Chris Ferguson's study.

[mishkin]

All of these last questions (sometimes in the form of comments) I have asked here before and you have ignored or tiptoed around them.

You admit that the gamergate movement started when a man publicly accused his ex-girlfriend of sleeping with other men to improve the reviews of the game she had created. If you don't see the misogyny in this, don't read on. Then, again indirectly, you downplay the online harassment of Zoe Quinn and female journalists talking about misogyny in the gaming community and in games themselves. Then you come at me with the idea that the gaming community can't be sexist because they are (were) young and, according to some survey, also left-wing. Great arguments.

I asked you about specific cases of unethical journalism and you redirected me to a page where two anonymous guys write a few paragraphs about two guys (journalists?) doing I don't know what in reference to some indie game/company (I dont know). According to you, the gamergate movement is mainly about that. Wow.

I would really like to see your interview with Zoe Quinn, to hear her tell you about the threats and harassment she suffered and to see your face as you ask her about her sex life.

[fkizz]

Mishkin, if you already have pre-made conclusions/beliefs, deny anything that don't match them, and can't explain why TachyonBlue's opinions are wrong, except assert that they wrong because appeal to emotions, then go on how your position is "morally superior", and then talk as if you are the personal protector of zoe queen, it's not very debate-ish.
It's just a chase for moral high ground without adding anything of value except signaling how moral the position on your post is.

Because to begin with, the hipothetical protector of zoe queen would focus on whatever version that served her best, rather than investigate what happened.

Albeit I respect your personal beliefs regarding the situation, so don't worry.

If you honestly believe gaming culture/gamers is that morally bad, why do you spend time in gaming forums since 2006 and still today? Why do you want to talk to people who are [insert your derrogatory terms here]? And it's not like you're just an ocasional poster. That's what's beyond me.

[mishkin]

You ask me for arguments and data when Tachyon has not given any (see my questions above). My obvious moral superiority prevents me from entering into a debate about whether a woman slept with men to improve the reviews of her video game (something that has been proven to be a lie), and is what drives me to participate in these forums; enlighten yourselves.