Problem with the Mongols

**Maverick1339** · February 03, 2007, 06:55 PM

I'm playing as Spain and all of a sudden I got the message that the Byzantines had been wiped out. I looked over and sure enough, The Mongols had beaten the Turks, Egyptians, and Byzantines. They now control everything east of Constantinople and South of the Black Sea. Even though I'm on the other side of the Map I don't like them winning that much. They keep beating everyone! It seems unrealistic for me to beat them from Spain though. Anyone got any suggestions?

**Mb Perseus** · February 03, 2007, 09:20 PM

Make loads of algumers(sp?) and have the Pope commission a Crusade to the Middle East.

**CtrlAltDe1337** · February 03, 2007, 09:34 PM

If they have taken that much land their forces will be divided. Take out their elite army stacks (if any are left) and sneak around to the back of their domain and start taking settlements. If you don't want to take land in the east yet, just sack and let it rebel.

**parvus** · February 03, 2007, 11:06 PM

wow that's sneaky. i usually attempt to ally with them, or get as many spearmen in one army and take em on. i also get a fully trained assassin and murder their generals

**Primvs Sextvs Loverlord** · February 03, 2007, 11:59 PM

Assasins help a lot against the Mongols.
However, the best way to beat them, if they're still a Horde-nation, is by making them besiege your heavily-guarded cities. It's a bit tricky but that way, you can take out 3-4 of their full stacks by losing just one city.

A settled Mongol nation is very easy to defeat.

**Tajir** · February 04, 2007, 02:27 PM

I'm playing as the Scots, and I went to Antioch for a Crusade -- beat them in one fight -- though I had Elephant mercenaries!

I then left Antioch and started just crushing and selling every Mongol settlement -- this was on Medium difficulty.

Mongols are overrated. I end up crushing their 9-star generals all the time.

**CtrlAltDe1337** · February 04, 2007, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dahir

I'm playing as the Scots, and I went to Antioch for a Crusade -- beat them in one fight -- though I had Elephant mercenaries!

I then left Antioch and started just crushing and selling every Mongol settlement -- this was on Medium difficulty.

Mongols are overrated. I end up crushing their 9-star generals all the time.

Kind of an Ironic post

**John I Tzimisces** · February 04, 2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sextus Loverlord

Assasins help a lot against the Mongols.
However, the best way to beat them, if they're still a Horde-nation, is by making them besiege your heavily-guarded cities. It's a bit tricky but that way, you can take out 3-4 of their full stacks by losing just one city.

A settled Mongol nation is very easy to defeat.

KIND of. They get reinforcement stacks...three waves I think?

**parvus** · February 05, 2007, 01:32 AM

yes i think. if not, 2 huge ones

**Sher Khan** · February 05, 2007, 03:02 AM

Well, as Spain, I don't think you'll have to worry much. The Turks, Egyptians, and Byzantines seemed to get the hard end of the deal there, but for now it looks like the Hungarian's and Venetian's issue. It's best to not bother and look to the defenses at home and the wars against your closer neighbors.

However, if Iberia is under the Spanish crown and the Reconquista is complete, and if you're bored, go ahead and strike the Mongols. Do so away from their front lines and try to attack isolated areas like Egypt or Jerusalem. Send spies as your advance to check out the soft spots and keep a far watch for Mongol activity. Make sure they're far away and busy before trying to take them in a naval invasion far away from your homeland. If they're still horde-ing, it's best to not take them head on.

Personally, I'd let them live and wait for the Timurids to show up.

**AdmiringtheEnemyeh?** · February 05, 2007, 08:00 PM

Timiurids? Ive never goten that far. When do they show up?

**MosMus** · February 07, 2007, 08:54 AM

biggest problem with the mongols is they cavalry. they can just have a couple of unit of cavalry and can rout a large army of mostly infantry. it is very hard to fight against them because they are so unpredictable

**~~Cassy~~** · February 07, 2007, 08:56 AM

Send a Crusade. Pack up the best army you can get (and this means a full stack, with gunpowder, both foot and artillery) and make yourself a fortress out of Acre, and expand to Antioch and Jerusalem. Wont be easy, but the Mongols are not unbeatable. Gunpowder and slow defensive expansion will beat them easily.

**Sher Khan** · February 07, 2007, 11:19 AM

Better yet, take the fortress at Cyprus, Nicosia. As an island castle, you can have a safe retreat from the Mongol land armies and easily tech up your defenses without worry from immediate Mongol siege. Just keep an able fleet to dominate the waters and you'll be able to attack and sack every huge city from Iconium and Edessa, south along the coast to Jerusalem, and even be able to strike at rich Alexandria and Cairo.

It's an incredibly useful position if you're an invading army or hoping to profit through piracy and raiding. Usually, as an Eastern faction, I make Nicosia a city to benefit from the trade bonus it should logically have, but other than that a fortress island so close to enemy territory but protected by the sea is incredibly useful.

**Duke Lysander** · February 07, 2007, 01:07 PM

Better yet.. in the Long Road Mod... that island is cut in two...
make one a city for money and one a castle very nice spot...

**AdmiringtheEnemyeh?** · February 07, 2007, 05:10 PM

A REALLY good tactic if you are a cathlolic faction is build 5-8 priests and ship them over to cario/alexandria region. Then send an amy to capture those regions and occupy OR exterminate them when they become at least 70% cathloic. Not only will you get a very rich region, but your will gain more cardinals. This improves your relations with the pope through conversion, and more importantly, you have a strong chance one of your cardinals will become pope. This will instantly make your relations with the papal states perfect.

**haney591** · February 10, 2007, 11:57 AM

One of the best tactics to use against the Mongols involves longbowmen. If you are not the English you can still aquire them as mercs. You need a full stack that is about 2/3 longbows with heavy infantry in support. Next, manuever into a position where the Mongols will be sure to attack you (this is essential) and where you cannot be outflanked. When I used this tactic I was moving north on the Acre/Antioch road towards Antioch (which by the way seems to be a Mongol/Timurid magnet) so I was protected by the sea on one flank and mountains on the other. When in battle, deploy half of your longbows as far forward as possible in a single line parrallel to the enemy and drive stakes. Deploy your second line a bow shot away from the first in the same configuration with your heavy infantry close behind, drive stakes. As soon as the battle begins retreat with your first line as fast as possible to a position behind your second line (but still in front of the heavy infantry). Now watch with delight as the Mongol horse archer tactic causes them to dance back and forth through your first stake line (which will decimate there horse units) while your longbows pour it into them. Whatever horse units survive your first stake line may charge your second but they won't make it very far after that. Mongol infantry is weak without its cavalry and your longbows will make short work of them. I consider this tactic somewhat underhanded since it relies on the AI just being too stupid to even notice the stakes so I have only used it once. I don't know if it works in the patched version either.