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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    They are investigating the assassination attempt. No citation needed, but here you go
    So no conclusion whatsoever. Just you blatantly lying about the basics of an investigation as if it's a done deal. One wonders why you don't want this to be investigated properly.
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    Trump's chance of losing pretty much went to 0 after yesterday's attempt on his life, the momentum he will gain from this event going into the RNC will be like a snowball rolling down mount Fuji. If there was a chance with replacing Biden it won't matter at this point. At least that is my take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    That doesn't even make sense. No sense in throwing random accusations just to appear as if you're on top.
    He is on top. You made a ridiculous claim that this was a political stunt rather than an assassination attempt and now you are bending over backwards in a vain attempt to save face.

    All those people out there calling this whatever else, be it a political stunt or worse a staged incident on Trump's behalf while having zero evidence to back this up, need to get a grip. That's just not how reality works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    He is on top. You made a ridiculous claim that this was a political stunt rather than an assassination attempt and now you are bending over backwards in a vain attempt to save face.

    All those people out there calling this whatever else, be it a political stunt or worse a staged incident on Trump's behalf while having zero evidence to back this up, need to get a grip. That's just not how reality works.
    Talking as if the questions surrounding this incident does not exist is not a smart argument. Clearly, I'm not the one bending backwards here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinjo View Post
    Trump's chance of losing pretty much went to 0 after yesterday's attempt on his life, the momentum he will gain from this event going into the RNC will be like a snowball rolling down mount Fuji. If there was a chance with replacing Biden it won't matter at this point. At least that is my take on it.
    Yep, that's my estimation too. This will get blamed on his critics ('demonization') no matter what the shooter's ideas were and it will work. I've seen how that goes in my own country when a political candidate (Pim Fortuyn) was murdered. It gives him and his supporters a way to claim the moral high ground against which there's no defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Yep, that's my estimation too. This will get blamed on his critics ('demonization') no matter what the shooter's ideas were and it will work.
    Are you disputing the demonisation? If not, then I'd argue that if this is blamed on his "critics", that is the insane never-Trumpers who call him Hitler and the greatest threat to America and the world in recent decades, I'd say it won't be without merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    I don't think it's about skin tone as much as their having entered the country illegally. And there's no evidence that such camps would be anything more than detention before being kicked out of the country.
    There is no doubt in my mind that if these migrants had fair skin and blue eyes that not only would the right have no problem with them coming to the country, they'd encourage it. And if Trump said he was hungry I'd need at least three independent verifications before I'd believe him.

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    There is no doubt in my mind that if these migrants had fair skin and blue eyes that not only would the right have no problem with them coming to the country, they'd encourage it. And if Trump said he was hungry I'd need at least three independent verifications before I'd believe him.
    Some Hispanics do though.

    Besides, how many Europeans are entering the US illegally?

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    It’ll be interesting to see whether this event changes any votes. People who are voting for Biden/against Trump are probably more likely to regret that Trump lived than to vote for him. It may drive Republican turnout in November, but it depends how Trump plays it. If he uses this to boost his usual narrative that the world is out to get him and elections are rigged, he could negate the sympathy/enthusiasm bump himself. Compared to the alternative option for POTUS, I will say the way Trump reacted to the shooting once they let him up gave me a measure of confidence in his ability to bear the pressures of the office and the ones he would face a second time that are unique to his situation. I didn’t vote for him last time but I probably will this time.
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    As Biden says, "Thankfully, former Trump has not been seriously injured"
    I also liked his "past and forward" (was trying to say back and forth).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post


    As Biden says, "Thankfully, former Trump has not been seriously injured"
    I also liked his "past and forward" (was trying to say back and forth).
    Yet another glitch in the Matrix, nothing to see here. Biden is totally NOT senile...

    BTW I have to say that few reactions disgusted me in their hypocrisy as much as Biden's statement the other day, when he twice referred to Trump as "Donald", as if suddenly the greatest threat to democracy and him were all buddy-buddy.

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    Are you disputing the demonisation?
    Hardly. I'm disputing the notion that the more you demonize someone the more otherwise normal people will be pushed over the edge to become assassins. But I'm not going to go into that further, because the reason I expect the 'demonisation' claim to work has very little to do with it being logical and so there's no point employing logic trying to counter it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Hardly. I'm disputing the notion that the more you demonize someone the more otherwise normal people will be pushed over the edge to become assassins. But I'm not going to go into that further, because the reason I expect the 'demonisation' claim to work has very little to do with it being logical and so there's no point employing logic trying to counter it.
    It doesn't need to push "normal people" over the edge to become assassins. It only needs to push a couple of would-be yahoos into bona fide yahoo territory. A far easier task. I don't rightly know if the demonisation claim will work, not with all the pushback its getting from anti-Trumpers. I'm just saying it should work, because it's true.

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    We have countless historic examples of what demonization led to, so indeed it's pointless to argue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post


    As Biden says, "Thankfully, former Trump has not been seriously injured"
    I also liked his "past and forward" (was trying to say back and forth).
    Contrast that message with what Trump would be saying if KH or Biden was shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Contrast that message with what Trump would be saying if KH or Biden was shot.
    Yes, contrast it. Do you have a link to that video? Oops, no you don't, that would be because Biden or KH weren't the ones that got shot.

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    US politics is a history of violence. More than a third of American presidents have been the target of assassination attempts, four have died, some presidential candidates have been assassinated. Some say it was Biden's anti-Trump rhetoric that led directly to Trump's assassination attempt.
    We shouldn't ignore a survey carried out by a Chicago institution on security and threats, revealed on Sunday in a NYTimes editorial. 10% of those polled thought that the use of force was justified to prevent Trump from being elected president. And 7% of those polled also thought, in the opposite direction, that it was legitimate to use force to get Trump back into the White House
    Recent Poll Examined Support for Political Violence in U.S.
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    Only 10%? I thought it's 50% when he's first elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Yes, contrast it. Do you have a link to that video? Oops, no you don't, that would be because Biden or KH weren't the ones that got shot.
    He did however, mock Paul Pelosi getting attacked. With that, we can make an educated guess that he would also be openly mocking Biden or Harris if the situation were reversed.
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