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    So we have two rivals. An 82 year old president who shows early signs of dementia(not my opinion, the opinion of doctors that have examined him)and a 78 year old ex-president who has now be convicted for various crimes. No matter what the result is going to be, it would be a disaster for USA politics. So i must ask myself. How has USA sunk so low? Is the old establishment so desperate that it has to promote two unfit 80-year olds for president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    So we have two rivals. An 82 year old president who shows early signs of dementia(not my opinion, the opinion of doctors that have examined him)and a 78 year old ex-president who has now be convicted for various crimes. No matter what the result is going to be, it would be a disaster for USA politics. So i must ask myself. How has USA sunk so low? Is the old establishment so desperate that it has to promote two unfit 80-year olds for president?
    It is not the fault of the Establishment. Since the advert of Social Media (or perhaps it was simply Bush2?) the vast majority of respectable and patriotic people of USA don't go into politics if they want to really serve their country. Most people mistrust politicians and you know that even if you are an angel the other side will still attack you as if you are a monster thanks to the divide Bush2 era started.
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    Each candidate has their list of deep flaws and disconnections with the electorate and the needs of the country. Both candidates are the oldest to ever run, a record they set in the last election! It's hard to get younger people energized when their generation is hardly represented. That being said, one of the two major candidates is now a convicted felon, and the other is not. Trump's guilty verdicts on all 34 counts of falsifying business records is unparalleled in US history for a former president and presidential candidate for the general election. Even low information voters who only read headlines cannot escape this news story, especially since Trump himself keeps highlighting it. LOL. I'm foreseeing a lot of third party votes in this election cycle, more so for the Libertarians than the Greens, though the war in Gaza will have a small amount of Democrats and more leftwing Independents sitting this one out.

    On the subject of Biden's mental acuity, you merely have to watch the latest State of the Union to demolish this silly narrative that he's demented. He worked the crowd and even set up ambushes for the Republicans, addressing them personally multiple times and getting them to agree with him off-script. He wasn't merely reading from a teleprompter. Papay's post is pure disinformation. There's no doctor who has examined Biden and said he is currently suffering from dementia. Mental decline as an 80-year-old man is to be expected, but that's not the same thing as actual dementia (and neither is a stutter, which Biden has had all his life). Notice how Papay didn't name a single doctor who made this outlandish claim. His current "brain loading" Biden avatar says everything you need to know about the purpose of his thread.

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    Biden (Trump too) also has a very serious risk of being dead while president. Which would lead to a president no one voted for and not many would have voted for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Biden (Trump too) also has a very serious risk of being dead while president. Which would lead to a president no one voted for and not many would have voted for
    Yep, pretty much.

    If the world was a just and sane place Biden would be in a nursing home eating pudding and watching reruns of Matlock on the television set (with Technicolor!).

    Also, it's not like his 2020 Democratic primary election opponent Bernie Sanders is much younger. Bernie is 82 right now and Biden is 81. Biden's 2024 Democratic primary opponent Marianne Williamson (who won nothing) is 71 years old, not exactly a spring chicken either. In general all of these candidates are super old compared to Obama and George W. Bush when they ran for office in the 2000s.

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    It is not the fault of the Establishment. Since the advert of Social Media (or perhaps it was simply Bush2?) the vast majority of respectable and patriotic people of USA don't go into politics if they want to really serve their country. Most people mistrust politicians and you know that even if you are an angel the other side will still attack you as if you are a monster thanks to the divide Bush2 era started.
    Blaming it on social media is slightly correct but an incredibly quaint understanding of what's going on here. Boomers and Silent Generation candidates still dominate in public office because of the generational wealth gap. Most other democracies consider it obscene that campaign finance in the USA is basically dominated by Super PACs each election cycle. You have to be incredibly wealthy in the first place in order to even think about running for office, or already be so popular that you have an enormous small dollar donor base like Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It leads to not only older candidates who are somewhat out of touch because of their age, but also because of their wealth, which distances them from most other Americans struggling with issues of basic financial survival. The only people I know personally who would be wealthy enough to run for office and pay for much of their campaigns and be connected to big dollar donors who could support them are all old as dirt.

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    Notice that the people who moan about Biden or Trump's ages never seem to have a problem with Putin's age. 71 is practically 91 in Russian years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    If the world was a just and sane place Biden would be in a nursing home eating pudding and watching reruns of Matlock on the television set (with Technicolor!).
    If the world was a just and sane place Biden would be in prison, along with his entourage, the entirety of Congress and of course Trump. The world isn't a sane and just place... but still there are degrees of insanity and injustice and we are observing a continuous drift towards greater and greater degrees of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Biden (Trump too) also has a very serious risk of being dead while president. Which would lead to a president no one voted for and not many would have voted for
    Well candidates for vice president are actually on the ticket, so in a way people do get to vote for them. Might be more important than ever in this election.

    Despite his age, Trump has apparently floated the idea of becoming a 3 term president. Something that should set off the 'aspiring dictator' alarm bells. Have there been moves to transfer his political clout to his children yet? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    So we have two rivals. An 82 year old president who shows early signs of dementia(not my opinion, the opinion of doctors that have examined him)and a 78 year old ex-president who has now be convicted for various crimes. No matter what the result is going to be, it would be a disaster for USA politics. So i must ask myself. How has USA sunk so low? Is the old establishment so desperate that it has to promote two unfit 80-year olds for president?
    Can you link to a single report on that?
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    Isn't it an indicator that the age and the brain function of presidents do not matter? they're just puppets and actors.

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    Maybe Rage Against the Machine can do a video about the female and black Mike Pence. "And he didn't even run!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AqD View Post
    Isn't it an indicator that the age and the brain function of presidents do not matter? they're just puppets and actors.
    And yet somehow senile Biden is running circles around the Republicans who say he has committed dozens of crimes leaving no evidence behind. Not to mention how he has permanently frustrated Putin's dreams of a Russia-dominated world.

    The Biden is senile meme is nothing more than desperate wishful thinking by America's enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    And yet somehow senile Biden is running circles around the Republicans who say he has committed dozens of crimes leaving no evidence behind. Not to mention how he has permanently frustrated Putin's dreams of a Russia-dominated world.

    The Biden is senile meme is nothing more than desperate wishful thinking by America's enemies.
    On the last well also apparently the editorial staff of the NYT that Biden somehow offended.
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    Didn't expect to end up in a drama by Ibsen

    Clearly one doesn't need to be an enemy of the american people/America to notice that Biden isn't fit to be potus (nor is Trump). They are both way too old and way too dumb. Biden is more respectable, but still trash.
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    That said, I'm voting Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    Blaming it on social media is slightly correct but an incredibly quaint understanding of what's going on here. Boomers and Silent Generation candidates still dominate in public office because of the generational wealth gap. Most other democracies consider it obscene that campaign finance in the USA is basically dominated by Super PACs each election cycle. You have to be incredibly wealthy in the first place in order to even think about running for office, or already be so popular that you have an enormous small dollar donor base like Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It leads to not only older candidates who are somewhat out of touch because of their age, but also because of their wealth, which distances them from most other Americans struggling with issues of basic financial survival. The only people I know personally who would be wealthy enough to run for office and pay for much of their campaigns and be connected to big dollar donors who could support them are all old as dirt.
    Certainly! I see what you mean, Roma.
    Older candidates also have the benefit of being around for millenia (so to speak). When you are in this for the past 35 years, your connections with big donors (or your popularity with small donors) has had a loooong time to grow. Especially with the big donors. And those connections go two-ways. Not only the bankers or Oil industry or NRA know they can rely on you, you know that you have relied on them for the past 5-10 elections and they came through.
    You are practically long-time business partners. Of course they will support you and you will support them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Have there been moves to transfer his political clout to his children yet? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
    Ehh... since 2016. For someone to not notice that Muizer, one must not be paying attention. Cocaine Don (Trump2) is the heir apparent. However, he lacks his father's pull on the electorate so Trump tries, for years to set this up. Furthermore Ivanka's husband was a major powerholder during the Trump years. He stepped back from the flaming pile of poo that Trump's legacy is shaping to be, but he was for a long time in the running.

    Again: Those are not new things! That's what Trump was doing. He is not hiding it, he is proud about it.
    Back in mid-2015, 2nd presidential debate, someone asked Trump and Hillary to say something nice and positive for each other. Trump said that Hillary is determined.
    Hillary said... Trump is promoting his children. Yes, it is THAT well known since back then.
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    Biden showing signs of decline as pols, aides detail 81-year-old's slipping cognitive fitness (nypost.com)

    Many people who have talked to Biden lately speak about his situation and it seems that it gets worse. Of course Bidens camp reject these accusations but you can see when Biden is talking he often doesnt have a clue what he is saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    Biden showing signs of decline as pols, aides detail 81-year-old's slipping cognitive fitness (nypost.com)
    Many people who have talked to Biden lately speak about his situation and it seems that it gets worse. Of course Bidens camp reject these accusations but you can see when Biden is talking he often doesnt have a clue what he is saying
    The link doesn't seem to contain the information linked to your claim that "the opinion of doctors that have examined him" argued that Biden showed early signs of dementia. Are you unable to find such a report?
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    It's the latest paid smear by the Republicans/Kremlin to distract from Trump's looming jailtime.

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    Well, it's obvious that Biden is going to lose and we all know it.
    The Democrat party has been trying to convict Trump with "trumped up" charges that no where in hell would be enough to convict someone, but here we are. With this said, I wouldn't vote for either even if they were elections for the local nursing home, even less for running an entire country...

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