The imminent disaster which is going to be the American elections

[Ludicus]

In my opinion, if Biden doesn't feel physically or intellectually fit to run for president, he should resign. After all, who is the real president of the US at the moment? Blinken?...
Kamala Harris won't beat Trump.
It seems that,
Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative








Was Obama's suggestion (taken from Luís Vaz de Camões' Os Lusíadas) to the Democratic Party to dare to sail “through seas never sailed before” a reference to Michelle?

[Legio_Italica]

First you are conflating voter in Democratic Primaries who vote and just on the election democrats, and independents such that are left or moderate republicans who switch if they despise of fear Trump again not many in deed

No, just making a reference to Democrat opinion polling in response to the one you brought up.

You offer no proof of that just assertion.

It’s self evident. I don’t need to provide links to the infinite clips and articles of Kamala, the WH secretary, Democrats and media pundits insisting Biden is at the top of his game. Some have already been featured in GOP ads, and I’m sure we’ll see many more compilations before November.

the pressure was coming from across the whole body of the democratic party

After lying for years, telling Americans to disbelieve our eyes and ears. There’s zero chance Biden’s condition is a surprise to anyone, other than perhaps Biden himself.

Clearly there was no consensus and thus no action. It was Biden's performance again Trump almost old and often far more incoherent that clearly forged the consensus.

The debate was not a watershed moment. If it was significant at all, it was a set up to give the Party the narrative they needed to knife their own candidate in the back. The only way anyone didn’t know Biden was a wreck until June 27 is if they’d been in a coma since 2019. People can say what they want about Trump’s age. He got shot in the face, body slammed by his security detail, called his friends joking about it from the hospital, stood and spoke for an hour and a half at the RNC a few days later, not to mention he’s still on the road doing rallies.

After all, who is the real president of the US at the moment?

The same people who have been president since at least 2020: Unelected members of the Executive Branch and private sector affiliates, the “deep state.” And now they’ve likely chosen Kamala to act as the next figurehead.

Was Obama's suggestion (taken from Luís Vaz de Camões' Os Lusíadas) to the Democratic Party to dare to sail “through seas never sailed before” a reference to Michelle?

The Obamas are Democrat royalty and Barrack functions as its Pope and Leader Emeritus. Whoever comes out of the convention as the nominee will not do so without his blessing, regardless of any public endorsement or lack thereof.

[conon394]

First Poll is kinda worthless. Michelle Obama is a standard in for Johnny Unbeatable and rabidly fading to nostalgia memories. Newsome would hammered he possibly the worst candidate the Dems could run. His hypocrisy during the COVID ban would make him look like an effet snob. He is from San Francesco in California - land of a homeless crises and crisis of affordable homes, intractable budge problems caused by past reckless investing by the state and prop 13. And helpfuly every year the legislator toss out ton's of un funded for liberal eye candy bills he has to veto making him look like a Clinton era conservative. The republican would have field day skewing him.

[conon394]

No, just making a reference to Democrat opinion polling in response to the one you brought up.

Concern is doing a lot a heavy lifting there. Polls have a way forcing answer. The point after the debate performance Biden has clearly undergone fairly rapid decline I dunno maybe TIAs have kicked in.

It’s self evident. I don’t need to provide links to the infinite clips and articles of Kamala, the WH secretary, Democrats and media pundits insisting Biden is at the top of his game. Some have already been featured in GOP ads, and I’m sure we’ll see many more compilations before November.

Its self evidence ta republican adds is hardly a case. I sure find democratic adds that make Trump far worse than he is now as well.

fter lying for years, telling Americans to disbelieve our eyes and ears. There’s zero chance Biden’s condition is a surprise to anyone, other than perhaps Biden himself.

I find that untrue its clear he is not now the man 2 years or from the presidential debates.

The debate was not a watershed moment. If it was significant at all, it was a set up to give the Party the narrative they needed to knife their own candidate in the back. The only way anyone didn’t know Biden was a wreck until June 27 is if they’d been in a coma since 2019. People can say what they want about Trump’s age. He got shot in the face, body slammed by his security detail, called his friends joking about it from the hospital, stood and spoke for an hour and a half at the RNC a few days later, not to mention he’s still on the road doing rallies.

My guess would some cocktail of uppers. "Trump was shot and wounded in his upper right ear " is a tad different than shot in the face. That all say nothing his cognitive abilty.

The same people who have been president since at least 2020: Unelected members of the Executive Branch and private sector affiliates, the “deep state.” And now they’ve likely chosen Kamala to act as the next figurehead.

Do uou actually know any senior civil servants. Deep state I can see this conversation is going nowhere.

The Obamas are Democrat royalty and Barrack functions as its Pope and Leader Emeritus. Whoever comes out of the convention as the nominee will not do so without his blessing, regardless of any public endorsement or lack thereof.

Wait you said it was the deep state make up your mind.

[Legio_Italica]

Do uou actually know any senior civil servants. Deep state I can see this conversation is going nowhere.

Yes I agree. If the baseline doesn’t begin with the acknowledgement that Biden is and has been unwell and unfit, this has been self evident and lied about from the highest levels of the liberal establishment on down to the lowest MSNBC pundit, and this means the power vacuum of the presidency has been filled by unelected interests during this time, there’s no point in going further. It’s pretty grim to deny all this only to turn around ascribe Trump’s relative vitality and cogent speech to drugs and “only” being shot in the ear, as if an unexpected fart wouldn’t send Joe to the grave.

[NorthernXY]

Can someone tell me why RFK Jr. has had his VP pick for months and almost no one knows who she is, her politics (it's DEI), seen a picture of her, heard Jr. talk about her, or how much money she's donated to his campaign (have heard it mentioned her huge financial backing is the reason he chose her)?

When Trump chose Vance, it was on the news immediately and talked about him and his career. Jr. is hiding his VP more than the Dems were hiding Biden. If you do some research on Jr., you'll see he has a history of making bad choice (he got a felony for heroin possession, no time served, just like his great uncle Ted who killed a woman by drunkenly driving off a bridge, then fled the scene of the accident, and was threatened with a slap on the wrist if he did it again).

In 2000, Jr. was the key figure in hiring a guy fresh out of prison serving a 3.5 year commuted sentence (was first suppose to serve 5 years) for environmental crimes for the environmental organization Jr. was currently working at. The founder, treasurer, and 8 board members resigned in protest. Jr. later went on to say he co-founded the company, when it existed before he started working there. So he's a liar, hypocrite, and is actually anti environmentalist.

He's a big anti vaccination fan, not just COVID. As a biochemist, I know how vaccines and drugs are discovered, so I sure as hell wasn't getting a COVID shot when I know all the corners and regulations they bypassed to rush them onto the market. Never got COVID (though I never get sick) and know of several people that got multiple vaccines and got COVID 3 times. So they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Does Jr. think we beat polio and MMR in a fist fight?

Again, he hired an "environmentalist" to do a job after said person was released from prison because of that person's crimes against the environment.


EDIT: The media is pro Kennedy family, because they haven't grilled him on all his horrible deeds, politics, and that the Kennedys are THE ESTABLISHMENT but claims to be anti establishment.

Why hide her unless he knowns she'll hurt his chances. So he's trying pull one over on all Americans.

Was watching a YouTube commentary video. Everything I said about Jr. were proven facts, and all my comments got deleted. Including that fact shortly after failing the bar exam, got let go from his job as Manhattan assistant prosecutor (or something close), then got busted for heroin possession that he claimed was his first time. Yeah, . He could have gotten 2 years in prison, instead 2 years probation with some community service hours required.

[Alastor]

I can't believe that someone as appalling, opportunistic and incompetent as Kamala Harris now has a real shot at the presidency. This election is getting more and more ridiculous. At this rate I'll soon start missing the demented, arrogant, warmongering old fart Biden. Is America really this out of options?

[Ludicus]

... Is America really this out of options?

What the Americans think is best for their country is up to them, but I would like to comment on the impact the election results will have on American foreign policy, which inevitably affects the entire world.

Netanyahu is the only foreign politician who will address a meeting of the American Congress today for the fourth time. It's a distinction that even Churchill did not receive. It is not hard to imagine what will happen: he will be received as a hero by the Republicans, some Democrats will leave the room. Once again, Netanyahu will emerge victorious, military support for Israel will increase, despite the International Court of Justice having already demolished Israel's claims that it does not occupy Palestinian territories.

There is no doubt that the ICJ's decision is an invitation to the ICC to issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, as argued by Chen Maanot in Haaretz, in an article titled "Israel Fears ICJ Ruling Will Lead to ICC Arrest Warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant." I quote: "Although not directly connected to ICC's issuing of international criminal warrants, justices will not be able to ignore ICJ's advisory opinion that Israel is violating international law." Israel Fears ICJ Ruling Will Lead to ICC Arrest Warrants

Trump insists he can resolve the Ukraine war quickly, and J.D. Vance has already admitted that he doesn't care about Ukraine at all. Fundamentally, neither of them is remotely concerned with the fate of the Ukrainians. Neither intends to negotiate peace (which will have to involve concessions from both sides. A perfect peace is one that leaves both sides unsatisfied. Negotiated peace is necessary and desirable). But the message they both send to Russia is: do whatever you want.
As little as I sympathize with the Ukrainian regime—and I sympathize very little—the unconditional surrender of Ukraine would be a tremendous injustice.

Neither Trump nor Vance care about the fate of the Palestinian population in Gaza, condemned to die in bombings with American weapons, or from malnutrition and lack of medical care. Nor do they care about the population of the West Bank, constantly occupied and oppressed.

Trump also claims he will end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict quickly. He said the same during his presidency when he handed over the Middle East portfolio to his Jewish son-in-law. Trump's solution will be to increase arms supplies to Israel, decimate the Palestinian population, prevent any two-state solution (which has already been rejected by the Knesset), and hand over to Israel what does not belong to Israel.

The result is obvious: the right to self-determination will remain denied to the Palestinians, the ICJ's decision will be quickly forgotten, and the choice for the Palestinian population will be between expulsion or martyrdom.
In the next four months, until the presidential election, we will not hear about peace in Ukraine or Gaza. In the Palestinian case, Netanyahu achieved an unexpected "feat": the union of Hamas and Fatah, under the auspices of China. Palestinian political factions Fatah and Hamas sign unity

[Alastor]

Neither Trump nor Vance care about the fate of the Palestinian population in Gaza, condemned to die in bombings with American weapons, or from malnutrition and lack of medical care. Nor do they care about the population of the West Bank, constantly occupied and oppressed.

Trump also claims he will end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict quickly. He said the same during his presidency when he handed over the Middle East portfolio to his Jewish son-in-law. Trump's solution will be to increase arms supplies to Israel, decimate the Palestinian population, prevent any two-state solution (which has already been rejected by the Knesset), and hand over to Israel what does not belong to Israel.

The result is obvious: the right to self-determination will remain denied to the Palestinians, the ICJ's decision will be quickly forgotten, and the choice for the Palestinian population will be between expulsion or martyrdom.

As opposed to now that this isn't the case? I fail to see how the fate of the Palestinians would deviate from what you are describing no matter who wins the US elections.

[Kyriakos]

What would be considered a reliable poll for the race now, assuming Kamala will indeed be the candidate?

[Ludicus]

As opposed to now that this isn't the case? I fail to see how the fate of the Palestinians would deviate from what you are describing no matter who wins the US elections.

Precisely,that's what I'm saying, or trying to say.For example: The Times of Israel is delighted and celebrates with joy,
Biden's exit positions Doug Emhoff to become the first Jeweish White spouse-The Time of Israel.

As second gentleman, Emhoff...In April, he co-chaired a meeting of Jewish leaders to discuss Biden’s support for Israel in the war.

Thus, if elected, Kamala Harris's policy on the Middle East and Palestine would be identical to Trump's, with only minor cosmetic differences.

[PointOfViewGun]

Secret Service chief resigned after the assassination attempt on Trump. Earlier she lied about not covering the rooftop the shooter was on and apparently didn't provide any new explanation on that during the latest testimony session.

US Secret Service boss resigns over Trump shooting failures

US Secret Service director Kim Cheatle has resigned after security failures surrounding an assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump.

During her testimony, Ms Cheatle didn't offer lawmakers any new information on how Crooks was able to access the roof where he was perched and why Trump was allowed to take the stage.

[Forward Observer]

What would be considered a reliable poll for the race now, assuming Kamala will indeed be the candidate?

There are at least two sites that collect data from different pollsters. You have to check them daily for new polls added from various sources.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

and

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ident-general/

I wouldn't put much faith in any polls that came out since Sunday. It's just too soon for what has happened to really shake out.

Cheers

[Coughdrop addict]

Harris is the perfect focus for all of MAGA's hate. Some in the GOP are pleading for restraint and sticking to attacking her on policy, but I doubt their base will be able to control themselves.

In the coming weeks we will see exactly who they are and have always been. Expect lots of posts using the N-word along with graphic and descriptive threats of sexual violence from MAGA all over social media.

[Ludicus]

As I said earlier... “if elected, Kamala Harris's policy on the Middle East and Palestine would be identical to Trump's, with only minor cosmetic differences”. ..TIME magazine says pretty much the same thing.

What Voters Could Expect from Kamala Harris on Gaza Policy -TIME

Who Americans ultimately choose to succeed Biden will have a profound impact not only on the future of the U.S., but of the wider world—and perhaps nowhere more so than in Gaza.

Under Harris: Continuity, with some potential for change

“Her language was the most humanizing when it came to the Palestinians—or, at the very least, the least dehumanizing to the Palestinians,” says Hala Rharrit, a former Arabic language spokesperson for the State Department who resigned earlier this year in protest of the Biden administration’s Gaza policy.

Still, observers warn that rhetorical differences between Harris and Biden don’t necessarily presage major policy deviations.

Under Trump: “Nobody has any idea what he’s going to do on anything”
...Trump’s rather incongruous statements on the state of the war (he has simultaneously suggested that Israel ought to end the war and “get back to normalcy” and that the U.S. should let Israel “finish the job” in Gaza) make it difficult to predict exactly what he might do.

[conon394]

The Palestinians should take a moment and recall it was their great leader who walked a away from the best two state deal they were ever going to get apparently thinking a pair of 2 was the route to getting an inside straight. Also that they put together such a poorly run and corrupt government in Gaza that Hamas got a plurality win and real we no where that goes. You like to forget thay have agency as well Ludicus

[Kyriakos]

The other side has the agency to murder 20.000 kids, though, which should count to some extent as counterbalance even if one would agree with your summation
Neither of the candidates appear to be willing to help the palestinians, fwiw. Biden didn't help either, though this doesn't mean Kamala or Trump won't be even worse.

[conon394]

The other side has the agency to murder 20.000 kids, though, which should count to some extent as counterbalance even if one would agree with your summation
Neither of the candidates appear to be willing to help the palestinians, fwiw. Biden didn't help either, though this doesn't mean Kamala or Trump won't be even worse.

Ok I'll a bit more how about cough Black September w/o that maybe that open air prison might not have gate on the Egyptian side as well. I don't disagree the Israel response remains massively disproportionate but you know somebody really really needs to hand out birth control in Gaza for a place with no vast stretches of farm land the need some serious family planning. IN any my point remains a US president went all in got the best deal feasible and the Palestinians walked away. Its difficult than to say a US President should suddenly take their interests seriously again at potential domestic political cost and disrupting a long relationship with a ally with which we are deeply entwined. Certainly their government Hamas does not. The Gulf Arabs don't since before the Hamas attack they falling all over themselves to normalize relations, Egypt does or it would open its gates... I don't see Indonesia offering an asylum program for its brother Muslims. Does Ludicus decry why do the Palestinians live in refugee camps in the rest of the Arab Muslim world were is there path to citizenship in Morocco etc.

You nobody cared about my Polish ancestors back in the day. As far as I know the only one of my alive are the ones who left for the US back about 1900. I got letter from 1938 from my Grandfather's brother tell him he was fool to go to America the Horse farm was doing great... Last one we ever from him or any other Polish relative is from 1939.

[Kyriakos]

I wasn't posting against you, and you should know I like you
I find the way Israel has handled this to be abysmal, and if we are realistic the US keeps enabling them to continue on the same path.

[Roma_Victrix]

Harris has already had a huge fundraising overhaul (over $125 million since Sunday), has gotten some 50,000 volunteers to sign up (last figure I've seen), and gotten 48,000 new voters to register to vote in November. About 83% of those newly registered voters are aged 18 to 34. That's huge! Especially in crucial swing states.

If Harris and the Democrats have any sense at all, they would nominate Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona as her Vice Presidential candidate. Kelly is:
* A former naval aviator for the US Navy, a veteran who flew in combat missions during the Gulf War and was awarded the rank of Captain
* An astronaut who served as a pilot and then commander of space shuttles for NASA, going into space and orbit around Earth I think 39 times IIRC, and worked on the International Space Station (also has an identical twin brother named Scott who is also a freaking astronaut for NASA, which should make for fun conspiracy theories by the MAGA Q-ANON crowd, tehehe)
* Has Gabby Giffords as his wife, a former Congresswoman from Arizona who was shot in an assassination attempt, leading to her and husband Kelly founding a gun reform advocacy group, while he took care of her health at home
* After winning a Dem primary, he was elected as a US senator in a 2020 Arizona special election against a Republican incumbent McSally, and then won the same Senate seat again in the 2022 Arizona midterm election that guaranteed him a full 6-year term.
* He serves as a US senator in a purplish swing state that is also a border state, giving him credibility to speak about immigration policies and would secure a vital swing state for Dems
* He looks like a powerful bald dude who could knock people out with one punch if needed, and at age 60 he's not so old to have Biden issues, but old enough to have wisdom and plenty of prior experience
* Kelly's long and distinguished service in the US Navy (before NASA) nullifies the military service record advantage of Trump's VP pick J. D. Vance, who served in the Marines, but did not serve in a combat role (Public Affairs office instead) and never saw battle; Vance has only been a Senator from Ohio for one year, a venture capitalist businessman in the tech sphere who is best known as the writer of a memoir highlighting his redneck upbringing, and for being funded by a billionaire (Peter Thiel, co-founder of PayPal and Palantir Technologies)

I mean, it's almost like Kelly was designed in a laboratory by scientists working hard for Kamala Harris to produce the ideal straight white male VP candidate for a biracial woman president. The guy is pretty much untouchable. What's Trump going to say about him? He only likes astronauts who've flown to the Moon or Mars? LOL. The guy basically has American flagpoles for bones, bleeds liquid American flags or liquified apple pie, and his 23 & Me probably has his genetics divided between 50% baseball and 50% apple pie as his ancestral heritage. Wouldn't surprise me if American Bald Eagles flew overhead for him at all times after adopting him as their human father. Given the Diet Mountain Dew speech given by Vance lately, it's probably safe to say that Kelly would metaphorically steal his school lunch, shove him into a school locker, and flip him upside down to dunk his head into a toilet bowl during lunch break/recess. If they were still in the military, J. D. Vance would have to salute Kelly (a Captain) as his superior officer. LOL.

Probably safe to say Kelly will be the VP instead of like Beshear (Kentucky), Shapiro (Pennsylvania), Pritzker (Illinois), or some other popular Democratic state governor. He would definitely convince enough Independent and centrist Republican Boomers on the fence about Trump to go with a Harris/Kelly ticket. In that way he would sort of be like the Joe Biden of 2008 on the ticket with Barack Obama, only way way cooler, because astronauts are inherently freaking cool and badass.


Side note: I saw Joe Biden's Oval Office speech about why he's stepping down as a general election candidate for the presidency. It was a nice sendoff for him, actually. With it (and a few pieces of good legislation) he is preserving his legacy a bit, despite that horrifyingly bad debate with Trump where he trailed off mid-sentence about an easy layup answer on taxes and Medicare, and showcased his true mental decline. He definitely made the right choice to retire after January 2025, but he should have announced that earlier in January 2024 so we could have a formal primary testing viable candidates. Still, what Harris has been able to do in the past few days, securing delegates and boosting Biden's existing campaign, is an unexpected surprise. We'll see how things go with the Democratic National Convention, which in media terms is already stealing some thunder from the RNC that Trump and Vance held last week.