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    I realize that I have forgotten to add this to my last post: Pro-Israel EU is antisemite. EU only includes Hezbollah's military, not its political wing, on its list of sanctioned terrorist organizations.
    Council Implementing Regulation (EU) 2024/2055 of 26 July 2024 implementing Article 2(3) of Regulation (EC) No 2580/2001 on specific restrictive measures directed against certain persons and entities with a view to combating terrorism, and repealing Implementing Regulation (EU) 2024/329
    10.Hizballah Military Wing’ (a.k.a. ‘Hezbollah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Hizbullah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Hizbollah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Hezballah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Hisbollah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Hizbu’llah Military Wing’ a.k.a. ‘Hizb Allah Military Wing’, a.k.a. ‘Jihad Council’ (and all units reporting to it, including the External Security Organisation)).
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    Guterres, the well-known antisemite and notorious apologist of Hamas terror, like M. Hide and Dr. Jekyll, has a double personality. Last January, remembering the victims of Holocaust, he said: “Today and every day, let us recommit to stand against evil in all its forms and work for a world of peace, human rights, and dignity for all. We come together in solidarity and sorrow, to pay tribute to [the] six million Jewish children, women, and men murdered in the Holocaust”.Honouring Holocaust victims, UN chief Guterres pledges to ...

    Israeli government spokesman reacted quickly and exposed Guterres schizoid cynicism, UN chief chided, though his Holocaust statement didn't annul ...
    “You do not honor the memory of the victims of the Holocaust when you tell their descendants not to fight against terrorist monsters, who reduced whole families to human ash and are threatening to do it ‘again and again,’” wrote Eylon Levy, an Israeli government spokesman”
    And now, another mortal sin: Guterres failed to "unequivocally condemn Iran’s criminal attack on Israel” on Tuesday, FM Israel Katz said, and as a result "does not deserve to set foot on Israel’s soil." Israel bans UN chief Guterres from entering the country
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Are we? Or are you trying to distort reality for it to conform to your messed up narrative? Meanwhile many of the dead are civilians who have nothing to do with Hezbollah or any kind of fighting (including an 8 year old girl and an 11 year old boy who died) and hundreds of many others who have lost limbs. At least you do acknowledge that what happened was terrorism in label too. You're just trying to justify it.

    Death toll from Hezbollah pager explosions in Lebanon rises to 12







    Clearly, Israel intended to have the maximum damage for anyone in the area from these pagers and not just the owners carrying them in their pockets.
    "hundreds of many others have lost limbs"
    They lost fingers, not limbs, similar injuries are typically caused by fireworks.
    Even the article you linked has a video of the guy whose pager goes off in the middle of the market and he's the only one hurt, nobody else around him gets injured.
    "civilians who have nothing to do with Hezbollah"
    Having a Hezbollah pager on you kind of implies that you have something to do with Hezbollah.

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    I would like to see if you will continue to call them fireworks when some terrorist organization uses them on the streets of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithradates View Post
    "hundreds of many others have lost limbs"
    They lost fingers, not limbs, similar injuries are typically caused by fireworks.
    Even the article you linked has a video of the guy whose pager goes off in the middle of the market and he's the only one hurt, nobody else around him gets injured.
    "civilians who have nothing to do with Hezbollah"
    Having a Hezbollah pager on you kind of implies that you have something to do with Hezbollah.
    You clearly are not aware how petty your argument have become in order for you to justify Israeli terrorism. The least you could do was to be accurate about it. Also from the article:
    Firas Abiad told a news conference that almost two-thirds of the 2,800 wounded people needed some form of surgery to their face, eyes or hands, and that many had suffered amputations.
    The people around the guy in the video from the bazaar were lucky because the owner did not hear the initial buzzer before the explosion and the pager remained in the bag. It's one example of a pager explosion happening in a way Israel did not plan to happen. Back to your point, are you saying that the 8 year old girl and the 11 year old boy were bloodthirsty Hezbollah members? Or is it the case that having "something" to do with a group doesn't necessarily make you a legitimate target? Otherwise, are you saying that all Israeli citizens are legitimate targets since its their tax money that funds Israeli army actions?
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    Please abide by the Mudpit Rules, in particular:

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    Ascribing pejorative intent to another member's post comes quite close to personal attack. Members should avoid speculating about other members' intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    You clearly are not aware how petty your argument have become in order for you to justify Israeli terrorism. The least you could do was to be accurate about it. Also from the article:
    Firas Abiad told a news conference that almost two-thirds of the 2,800 wounded people needed some form of surgery to their face, eyes or hands, and that many had suffered amputations.
    Maybe my English is failing me, but arms and legs are limbs, hands and fingers are not, but parts of them.
    I have looked around on the internet and couldnt find not hundreds, but a single case of someone losing a limb to a pager.

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    The people around the guy in the video from the bazaar were lucky because the owner did not hear the initial buzzer before the explosion and the pager remained in the bag. It's one example of a pager explosion happening in a way Israel did not plan to happen.
    Do you know of any cases where a pager has hospitalized a group of people? You should, because that should be the majority, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Back to your point, are you saying that the 8 year old girl and the 11 year old boy were bloodthirsty Hezbollah members? Or is it the case that having "something" to do with a group doesn't necessarily make you a legitimate target? Otherwise, are you saying that all Israeli citizens are legitimate targets since its their tax money that funds Israeli army actions?
    As far as I know, their parents were members of Hezbollah, an extremely low rate of collateral damage, but tragic nonetheless.

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    In 1960, the monarch of Iran, Shah Reza Pahlavi, contributed money to Nixon's 1960 campaign. In 1975, the U.S. Vice President, Rockefeller, declared in a speech: "We must bring His Imperial Majesty to the United States for a few years so that he can teach us how to govern a country." His son is a republican at heart. Reza lives in Florida and recently supported Republican Joe Kaufman for the U.S. Congress.
    The crown prince is enamored with the most extremist government in Israel's history, and after Pahlavi’s visit to Israel in 2023, Netanyahu has been having wet dreams about, well, the "Cyrus Accords."
    The crown prince supports Trump and labels Biden as a weak leader: “Joe Biden is engaged in appeasing the current Iranian regime.”

    Why did I mention this? Today, I heard one of those political analysts on CNN Portugal, proudly sporting a yellow ribbon on his lapel, confidently stating, as if privy to the secrets of the gods, that the fall of the Iranian regime and its replacement by the very democratic monarchical regime is already being prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithradates View Post
    Maybe my English is failing me, but arms and legs are limbs, hands and fingers are not, but parts of them.
    I have looked around on the internet and couldnt find not hundreds, but a single case of someone losing a limb to a pager.
    Do you know of any cases where a pager has hospitalized a group of people? You should, because that should be the majority, right?
    As far as I know, their parents were members of Hezbollah, an extremely low rate of collateral damage, but tragic nonetheless.
    So its OK that people can die, lose hands, fingers, eyes, etc. At what point does it become concerning for you? Do tell us that first. Dozens dead. Thousands hurt. Do you actually know how many of the affected are actually Hezbollah members?
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    Francesca Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur for Palestine, is in Lisbon for a series of lectures in the coming days on the conflicts in the Middle East, "cloaking her Jew-hatred in legalese" claims the Jewish News Syndicate. In an interview with the newspaper Público, Albanese shares her views:

    "People are seeing what they want to believe, and not believing what they are seeing in Gaza.

    The problem is that we would not have reached the catastrophic situation we are witnessing today if it weren't for the impunity granted to Israel for decades. Many states violate international law.

    Israel is not the only one. What makes Israel unique is the fact that it is a serial violator of international law. It systematically violates international law.

    And nothing has been done. Of course, the fact that there is no recognition of the State of Palestine is puzzling, (...) especially European states which, for years, seemed to have only one response to everything related to Palestine: the solution of an independent state. So yes, I am eager to also ask the Portuguese authorities, from the government and parliament, with whom I will meet, what is happening with the recognition of the State of Palestine.” (*)
    In 2024, Norway, Spain, Ireland, and Slovenia formally recognized Palestine.
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    Do you know of any cases where a pager has hospitalized a group of people?
    The pagers and walkie-talkies were rigged with explosives, causing mass casualties, overwhelming hospitals and causing a humanitarian crisis. Humanitarian law additionally prohibits the use of booby-traps disguised as apparently harmless portable objects where specifically designed and constructed with explosives, A terrifying violation of international law, say UN experts
    To the extent that international humanitarian law applies, at the time of the attacks there was no way of knowing who possessed each device and who was nearby,” the experts said. “Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify each target, and distinguish between protected civilians and those who could potentially be attacked for taking a direct part in hostilities.
    Although humanitarian law only applies to human beings, which is not the case with the Lebanese and Palestinians.


    Lebanon doctors tell of horror after pager blasts
    "A lot of colleagues have been saying this is worse compared to the August 4... (eye) injuries that we saw," he said. On August 4, 2020, a catastrophic explosion at Beirut's port killed more than 220 people and injured some 6,500, with several hundred at least suffering ocular injuries and some people even blinded in one eye by flying shards of glass and other debris.

    Doctors Describe the Horror of Israel's Pager Attack in ...

    In shops, in houses and on sidewalks across the country, pagers blasted their users as well as anyone in their vicinity with small clouds of shrapnel.
    For almost two hours, AUBMC’s head of ophthalmology, Bahaa Noureddine, conducted triage among the waiting patients to see “which were the eyes that can be salvaged,” deciding which could wait and which were beyond hope. At 7 p.m., the first case was wheeled into the operating room. Noureddine and his staff of nine surgeons did not stop operating until midnight three days later. Almost all were severe cases. Noureddine and his team pulled shards of metal and plastic from their patients’ eyes
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    (*) It won't take long. The Portuguese government urged Israel to review its decision to consider Guterres “persona non grata”:”...deeply regrets the Israeli government's decision...His mission is indispensable for ensuring dialogue, peace and multilateralism”.

    Portuguese president notes shift in country's position on on Palestine

    Portugal’s official position on the Palestinian question is changing, reminding protesting students that Portugal had recently adopted an official position in favour of Palestine’s entry into the UN as a full member.
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    Lebanon: Nasrallah agreed to a ceasefire just before Israel killed him
    In an interview with CNN yesterday, Lebanese Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib confirmed Hezbollah agreed to a ceasefire with Israel moments before the occupation state killed its Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah last week. The Lebanese government had informed America and France of the decision, he explained, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also accepted the terms.
    Looks like Israel fooled Nasrallah to relax thinking that Israel wouldn't target him while suing peace...
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    Looks like Israel fooled Nasrallah to relax thinking that Israel wouldn't target him while suing peace.
    Exactly, what Netanyahu has always had in mind, and which is already well underway, is to turn Lebanon into a second Gaza.
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    Neve Gordon, Professor of International Law and Human Rights at Queen Mary, wrote for Inside Higher Education in 2021 about the definition of antisemitism. He writes: "Could Albert Einstein be considered antisemitic? And Hannah Arendt? These questions might seem absurd. However, according to the definition of antisemitism that more than 30 countries, including the United States under the Biden administration, have recently adopted, these two renowned intellectuals could very well be labeled as such.”

    Why do I mention this? Freud and Einstein had to leave their countries to escape the murderous Nazi persecution due to their Jewish ethnic origins. In May 1933, university students in 34 cities across Germany burned more than 25,000 books. The works of Jewish authors like Albert Einstein and Sigmund Freud were set on fire. Freud's four sisters died in Nazi concentration camps in 1941. One died upon arrival, while the other three were executed just hours after reaching Treblinka.

    On February 26, 1930, Freud, who never showed much interest in his Jewish origins and disagreed with Zionism, stated in a letter to Dr. Koffler that he did not believe Palestine would ever become a Jewish state, "that the Christian or Muslim world would ever agree to leave their holy sites in the hands of the Jews." Regarding the unrealistic fanaticism “of his Jewish brothers,” he felt “I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.”

    Upon reading Freud's response, Dr. Koffler, surprised by its content, wrote in pencil in the upper corner of the letter: “Do not show this to foreigners.” Indeed, the letter remained unpublished for 60 years.

    That said, it is also interesting and useful to recall the correspondence exchanged between Freud and Einstein in 1931 and 1932, published in 1933 shortly after Hitler came to power, titled “Why War?, as it questions the ontological status and contingent historical nature of violence and the reason for armed conflicts.

    It is true that the violent aggression, filled with despair and hatred accumulated over more than seven decades and perpetrated by Hamas militants, must always be harshly condemned. Based on this principle, let us broaden our view of historical events, and we will see a cultured, organized, creative, wealthy, and powerful people- Israel- imposing their aspirations and doctrine while another people, equally resident in the territory but poor and dispersed for decades, now scattered like cattle driven by flying machines that don’t even allow time to seek shelter and are massacred daily amid the cowardly silence of many political leaders of this Europe of human rights.

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    Edit,Biden says US discussing possible Israeli strikes on Iran oil facilities.
    “We're discussing that"
    This isn’t going to end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    I would like to see if you will continue to call them fireworks when some terrorist organization uses them on the streets of Europe.
    So instead of worrying about terrorists hiding among our civilians you would worry about their fingers or butts on fire?

    There is no excuse for being a member. Any one of them taking bus, going to grocery or hugging kids is endangering others' lives. The only right course for a terrorist is to die, immediately after their recruitment.

    Edit: actually, since so many of lebaneses are members, we might as well call lebanon a terrorist state.
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    By the way, does your logic apply to Israel equally? The headquarters of the Israeli army and Mossad is literally in the middle of Tel Aviv next to some high rises and one of the largest malls in the city.
    I do. But they have taken every possible steps to protect fellow citizens by iron dome and various missile systems.

    What have Hezbollah done to protect their people or even their own members? For example they could have made iron diapers to limit the explosion damage. They did nothing didn't they? Because the only advantage they ever have is to drag their own civilians into the fight and pretend it's Israel killing them. They're utterly useless without children in front and cameras behind!
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    But Iran also notifies the US in advance each time it has one of these for-show "retaliation" attacks, so it's not like they showcase Israel's defensive abilities in an honest way.
    I think what was more telling was Saudi Arabia and other arab countries helping Israel. We shouldn't forget that all the middle-eastern countries have despotic regimes, and they need to divert attention so as to maintain them. Drama with Israel is a great way for that, and the same is true (to smaller extent, but still there) for Israeli parties that are by now very far-right and in government.
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    But Iran also notifies the US in advance each time it has one of these for-show "retaliation" attacks, so it's not like they showcase Israel's defensive abilities in an honest way.
    That’s not exactly what happened.

    In April:

    Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel, but U.S. officials said Tehran did not warn Washington and that it was aiming to cause significant damage...

    Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said on Sunday that Iran gave neighbouring countries and Israel's ally the United States 72 hours' notice it would launch the strikes.

    One senior official in U.S. President Joe Biden's administration denied Amirabdollahian's statement, saying Washington did have contact with Iran through Swiss intermediaries but did not get notice 72 hours in advance.
    "That is absolutely not true,” the official said. “They did not give a notification, nor did they give any sense of ... 'these will be the targets, so evacuate them.'"

    Tehran sent the United States a message only after the strikes began and the intent was to be "highly destructive" said the official, adding that Iran's claim of a widespread warning may be an attempt to compensate for the lack of any major damage from the attack.
    Then most recently:

    Iran telegraphed to Arab officials in the region on Monday night that it was going to launch an attack on Israel that would be similar in scale to its April attack...
    Of course, those countries passed the information on to the US, but what Iran was trying to avoid is those other countries misinterpreting the launches as an attack on them and retaliating accordingly. Iran communicated through the Swiss to the US during the attack saying they were basically done in an effort to mitigate the scale of the Israeli (and possibly US) response.

    Knowing roughly when the attack was coming may have reduced Israeli civilian casualties, because everyone new to stay near their shelters, but it didn’t really help the missile defense systems any, which are always on alert and have only from the time from when a launch is detected to make a successful interception.

    Considering that Iran has repeatedly threatened to launch missiles against the Gulf States in response to any Israeli or US attack, they will probably have to continue to update these states of their intentions. I personally think that threat is most likely a bluff, but I assume the Gulf States will continue to take it seriously regardless of my intuitions.

    In an all-out war, Israel would rely more on destroying Iran’s launchers and silos than intercepting the missiles. Iran would at most be able to get off a few salvos of the scale they’ve launched recently. It seems likely that a lot of those launchers and silos will be destroyed in the coming days anyway. Depends on how much the Biden admin want (or are able) to limit the Israeli response.
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    I do. But they have taken every possible steps to protect fellow citizens by iron dome and various missile systems.

    What have Hezbollah done to protect their people or even their own members? For example they could have made iron diapers to limit the explosion damage. They did nothing didn't they? Because the only advantage they ever have is to drag their own civilians into the fight and pretend it's Israel killing them. They're utterly useless without children in front and cameras behind!
    That Israel has the resources to deploy air defence systems and Hezbollah doesn't doesn't really validate your arbitrary distinction in the context of having military targets among civilians. It only comes across as an excuse you hide behind to avoid acknowledging Israeli culpability. That Israel is killing civilians by blowing up entire neighbourhoods simply doesn't sit well with your idea that it is Hezbollah that drags civilians into fight to get them killed. It also falls flat when Israel targeted Hezbollah targets in abundance without any or very little civilian casualties. The idea that Hezbollah hides among civilians to get Israel to kill them has little to no substance. It's merely an automatic Israeli go to propaganda point.
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    Israel will exterminate 2 million Palestinians and noone wil do anything. As a westerner i fill ashamed of myself

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    Last year, the NY Times, one of the leading US newspapers, used the word “massacre” 53 times when referring to Israeli victims and only once when referring to Palestinian victims. Banned words: occupied territory, Palestine, Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing.
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    Leaked NYT Gaza Memo Tells Journalists to Avoid Words

    ..top editors handed down a set of directives- “Words like ‘slaughter,’ ‘massacre’ and ‘carnage’ often convey more emotion than information. Think hard before using them in our own voice,” according to the memo.
    In January, The Intercept published an analysis of New York Times, Washington Post, and Los Angeles Times coverage of the war from October 7 through November 24 — a period mostly before the new Times guidance was issued. The Intercept analysis showed that the major newspapers reserved terms like “slaughter,” “massacre,” and “horrific” almost exclusively for Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians, rather than for Palestinian civilians killed in Israeli attacks.
    The analysis found that, as of November 24, the New York Times had described Israeli deaths as a “massacre” on 53 occasions and those of Palestinians just once.
    The guidance also instructs journalists to “Avoid ‘fighters’ when referring to the Oct. 7 attack; the term suggests a conventional war rather than a deliberate attack on civilians. And be cautious in using ‘militants,’ which is interpreted in different ways and may be confusing to readers.”
    In the memo, the editors tell Times journalists: “We do not need to assign a single label or to refer to the Oct. 7 assault as a ‘terrorist attack’ in every reference; the word is best used when specifically describing attacks on civilians. We should exercise restraint and can vary the language with other accurate terms and descriptions: an attack, an assault, an incursion, the deadliest attack on Israel in decades, etc. Similarly, in addition to ‘terrorists,’ we can vary the terms used to describe the Hamas members who carried out the assault: attackers, assailants, gunmen.”
    he Times does not characterize Israel’s repeated attacks on Palestinian civilians as “terrorism,” even when civilians have been targeted. This is also true of Israel’s assaults on protected civilian sites, including hospitals.

    In the cases of describing “occupied territory” and the status of refugees in Gaza, the Times style guidelines run counter to norms established by the United Nations and international humanitarian law.

    On the term “Palestine” — a widely used name for both the territory and the U.N.-recognized state — the Times memo contains blunt instructions: “Do not use in datelines, routine text or headlines, except in very rare cases such as when the United Nations General Assembly elevated Palestine to a nonmember observer state, or references to historic Palestine.” The Times guidance resembles that of the Associated Press Stylebook.

    The memo directs journalists not to use the phrase “refugee camps” to describe long-standing refugee settlements in Gaza. “While termed refugee camps, the refugee centers in Gaza are developed and densely populated neighborhoods dating to the 1948 war. Refer to them as neighborhoods, or areas, and if further context is necessary, explain how they have historically been called refugee camps.”
    The admonition against the use of the term “occupied territories,” said a Times staffer, obscures the reality of the conflict, feeding into the U.S. and Israeli insistence that the conflict began on October 7.
    “You are basically taking the occupation out of the coverage, which is the actual core of the conflict,” said the newsroom source. “It’s like, ‘Oh let’s not say occupation because it might make it look like we’re justifying a terrorist attack.’”
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    PM David Cameron of Britain in 2010 called Gaza a prison camp. 'Gaza cannot remain a prison camp'
    Cameron was instantly dubbed an antisemite. From the world's largest open-air prison to the world's biggest open-air graveyard, Gaza is now a blackhole.
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    Seven days later.

    “When blood floods our consciousness, metaphorical claws and fangs grow,” said Offri Ilany in Haaretz in March. “We can only hope that disintegration stops before we start devouring each other.”
    In July, during one of his conversations with Netanyahu, which he referred to several times using the best (or worst) American English vernacular, Biden asked him: “Do you know that the perception of Israel in the world is increasingly that you are a pariah state?”
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    Excerpt from an article published on October 11 in Jornal Público, titled “A Bullet” by António Rodrigues.

    Many children in the Gaza Strip have been killed with a shot to the head. This information comes from volunteer medical staff who worked over the past year in hospitals in the territory occupied by Israel, in a text signed Wednesday in the New York Times by surgeon Feroze Sidwha, who worked in March and April at the European Hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza. Sidwha included testimonies from 65 American healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, paramedics) who volunteered in hospitals in Gaza over the past year.
    Of these, 44 witnessed Palestinian children being hit with a single shot to the head. ‘It was almost a daily occurrence to have children arriving at the hospital with a single shot to the head,’ recounts Ndal Farah, an anesthesiologist from Ohio.
    ‘In the howling desert of Gaza,’ in Sidwha's words, amid the darkest shadows of the human soul, Israeli soldiers seem to take on the final requirements in their process of dehumanization (of the Palestinians and of themselves): targeting the heads of children. In yet another shot at the civilizational aircraft carrier.
    Il y a quelque chose de pire que d'avoir une âme perverse. C’est d'avoir une âme habituée
    Charles Péguy

    Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
    Thomas Piketty

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    Default Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Meanwhile:

    ‘The fear is unspeakable’: airstrikes on northern Gaza leave hundreds of thousands with nowhere to go
    Roughly 400,000 people trapped in latest offensive with most of territory under evacuation orders
    On Saturday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) renewed its evacuation orders for Palestinians still living in the decimated northern half of Gaza, although many residents say the fighting and Israeli sniper fire make it impossible to leave.
    In a social media post, Adraee asked people living there to head south to al-Mawasi, a coastal area of southern Gaza where hundreds of thousands of people are already displaced. A total of 84% of the territory is currently under evacuation orders, pushing civilians into ever-dwindling “humanitarian zones” which Israel has bombed regardless.
    The last food supplies – canned food, flour, high-energy biscuits and nutrition supplements – have been distributed to shelters and health facilities in the north, and it is unclear how long they will last. Israel has consistently denied blocking aid and food to Gaza.
    Airstrikes overnight on Friday on Jabalia destroyed an entire building and severely damaged several more, according to medics and first responders, who are still recovering missing people from under the rubble and ruins created by a 20-metre deep impact crater.

    Israel blows up ancient village in South Lebanon
    Israeli soldiers filmed themselves celebrating the destruction of an ancient village in southern Lebanon. Israel ordered the evacuation of Mhaibib, located near the Israeli border, in early October before carrying out a controlled explosion of the historic town. Mhaibib had been settled for thousands of years and contained a 2,100-year-old shrine to Benjamin, son of the prophet Yaqub.
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    The Armenian Issue

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