Hamas attacks southern Israel

[Lusitanio]

No such a thing is happening, of course. Israel dealing with Hamas is a perfectly justified and admirably humanely carried out military operation. Also the latest coup by Mossad against Hezbollah, blowing up all those manipulated pagers, was just glorious. I applaud the move.

Glorious? It was a war crime. Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the user of booby traps, that is, objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or associated with normal civilian daily use, precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk. Israel just weaponized civilian objects, thus commiting a repulsive mass terrorist attack that puts everyone in doubt about if their electronics may one day explode.

[Ludicus]

Glorious? It was a war crime. Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the user of booby traps, that is, objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or associated with normal civilian daily use, precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk. Israel just weaponized civilian objects, thus commiting a repulsive mass terrorist attack that puts everyone in doubt about if their electronics may one day explode.

Indeed.A terrifying violation of international law, say UN experts

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The Israeli army stormed the offices of the Al Jazeera TV station in Ramallah, the capital of the West Bank and headquarters of the PA. They closed it down, citing an edict written in Hebrew as justification. The West Bank does not exist. Neither does Gaza. After having transformed Gaza, one of the parts of the future Palestinian state into a crematorium, Israel is now entering the West Bank, the other part of the Palestinian state, and is closing down a TV station that does not broadcast its statements and propaganda, all the while bombing refugee camps and infrastructure and its armed settler militias are expelling Palestinians from their homes and properties with complete impunity. Today, those who have supported the two states solution, can watch where the two-state thesis is headed. Israelis' allies are watching Israel kill the two-state solution like people watching water running in a toilet. I am curious to see how the prime ministers of the three EU states that recognized Palestine as a state will get away with this Netanyahu joke, and even King Philip, our esteemed neighbor, appeared in a pompous ceremony, worthy of a head of state receiving credentials from the Palestinian ambassador.



The West Bank is a back alley where half a dozen of Netanyahu's thugs tell anyone who doesn't tell their story to shut up.

[Ludicus]

Biden received two explosive reports on Israel blocking aid to Gaza-right before he told Congress the exact opposite. The report reveals how Blinken lied to Congress on Israel.
Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them- ProPublica

The U.S. government’s two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of food and medicine into Gaza.
The U.S. Agency for International Development delivered its assessment to Secretary of State Antony Blinken and the State Department’s refugees bureau made its stance known to top diplomats in late April. Their conclusion was explosive because U.S. law requires the government to cut off weapons shipments to countries that prevent the delivery of U.S.-backed humanitarian aid. Israel has been largely dependent on American bombs and other weapons in Gaza since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks.
But Blinken and the administration of President Joe Biden did not accept either finding.
Prior to his report, USAID had sent Blinken a detailed 17-page memo on Israel’s conduct.
Separately, the head of the State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration had also determined that Israel was blocking humanitarian aid and that the Foreign Assistance Act should be triggered to freeze almost $830 million in taxpayer dollars earmarked for weapons and bombs to Israel, according to emails obtained by ProPublica.
USAID, which is led by longtime diplomat Samantha Power*, said the looming famine in Gaza was the result of Israel’s “arbitrary denial, restriction, and impediments of U.S. humanitarian assistance,” according to the memo.

* Power is the first USAID Administrator to serve as a member of the National Security Council. Prior to joining the Biden-Harris Administration, Power served as the 28th U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations from 2013 to 2017 under President Obama.

[swabian]

Glorious? It was a war crime. Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the user of booby traps, that is, objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or associated with normal civilian daily use, precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk. Israel just weaponized civilian objects, thus commiting a repulsive mass terrorist attack that puts everyone in doubt about if their electronics may one day explode.

No, that was certainly not a war crime. It was an elegant precision strike against a hostile paramilitary force directly backed by Iran that has infested Lebanon (not that the actual Lebanese government minds much). Look up the history of Hezbollah before you opine on the topic.

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So here is a question: You guys don't want Hamas to lose, you guys don't want Hezbollah to lose, you want Israel to lose. I think you want Israel destroyed, is that not right? (rhetorical question to avoid the absurd censor bot settings).

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[Kyriakos]

Your "elegant precision strike" exploded in mid-day in central parts of cities, killing and maiming civilians. It was something that Escobar/a drug cartel would do, in his fight with the police/country.

[Kyriakos]

Meanwhile, in the real world, the explosions happened to harm the carrier without any care to avoid literal passers-by being maimed or killed by them. Including some kids.

[chriscase]

This thread has been reopened. Please remember to report posts that break the rules and also not to reply to them.

[Papay]

Gaza genocide - Wikipedia

(687) 'It’s Bisan From Gaza, I’m Still Alive After Six Months Of Bombing' - YouTube


This is one of the most harrowing things i ever saw. Kinda reminds me of holocaust films with the difference that this is a live account. These crimes are completely unnoticed by the mainstream media but you cant ignore that huge amount of lives lost there. Minimum is 50.000 dead but these are only the number that its accounted. This is a genocide that is perpetrated by Israel with the cooperation of USA and EU. The day that the so-called moral superiority of the west completely died.

[Kyriakos]

Asking the hard questions:

[Papay]

(689) Starving Gaza: How Israel’s man-made famine is killing Palestinians | Fault Lines Documentary - YouTube

A Holocaust that western media dont show

[Mithradates]

Glorious? It was a war crime. Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the user of booby traps, that is, objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or associated with normal civilian daily use, precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk. Israel just weaponized civilian objects, thus commiting a repulsive mass terrorist attack that puts everyone in doubt about if their electronics may one day explode.

The 5000 pagers imported by Hezbollah and distributed to members of Hezbollah, these were personal items, this was a targeted attack against members of a terrorist organization, these pagers were not some random booby trapped civilian items left on the side of the road for anyone to pick up.

[mishkin]

The 5000 pagers imported by Hezbollah and distributed to members of Hezbollah, these were personal items, this was a targeted attack against members of a terrorist organization, these pagers were not some random booby trapped civilian items left on the side of the road for anyone to pick up.

the fact that these devices exploded wherever their wearers were? while they were in the supermarket talking to a neighbour or visiting their children? Wait! Acceptable collateral victims, right? Or terrorists too, because if you're one meter away from a terrorist, you are probably also a terrorist.

Everybody has condemned that terrorist attack and has expressed concern about the use of such tactics. Your argument serves to justify, for example, car bombs in target vehicles. No problem if the terrorist and his wife get into the car. Or if the car was parked in front of a school. Jesus ing christ. Speaking of which, some will perhaps stop making aberrant justifications when bombs start falling on the Christian areas of Beirut.

[PointOfViewGun]

The 5000 pagers imported by Hezbollah and distributed to members of Hezbollah, these were personal items, this was a targeted attack against members of a terrorist organization, these pagers were not some random booby trapped civilian items left on the side of the road for anyone to pick up.

So is it OK to blow up houses of Israeli soldiers or government officials in Tel Aviv through hacking of gas distribution or other in-house connected systems or planting bombs in such places?

[Mithradates]

the fact that these devices exploded wherever their wearers were? while they were in the supermarket talking to a neighbour or visiting their children? Wait! Acceptable collateral victims, right? Or terrorists too, because if you're one meter away from a terrorist, you are probably also a terrorist.

Everybody has condemned that terrorist attack and has expressed concern about the use of such tactics. Your argument serves to justify, for example, car bombs in target vehicles. No problem if the terrorist and his wife get into the car. Or if the car was parked in front of a school. Jesus ing christ. Speaking of which, some will perhaps stop making aberrant justifications when bombs start falling on the Christian areas of Beirut.

The pagers contained 3 grams of explosives. For perspective, a standard NATO hand grenade contains 180 grams of explosives, so no, these pagers were not car bombs, not even grenades, the charge was so small that Hezbollah technicians did not find it while examining the pagers.

Those who were injured literally had to have the pager on their body (pocket/belt) or in front of their face, even then 3500+ people were injured and 40 died, which is a 99% survival rate.

if you're one meter away from a terrorist,

Lets make it closer, how about at arm's length?



(You are not gonna watch it, so in short a guy in the middle of the market "explodes" and the other 3 guys around him escape without a scratch.)

So is it OK to blow up houses of Israeli soldiers or government officials in Tel Aviv through hacking of gas distribution or other in-house connected systems or planting bombs in such places?

These pager "bombs" were more like firecrackers, nothing close to a gas explosion.

[mishkin]

I love that now the narrative is that the pagers were practically harmless ("only 1% of the targets died"). This Christmas on sale at toys r us.

You can't have your magnificent Israeli anti-terrorist operation and your were nothing but firecrackers too

[PointOfViewGun]

The pagers contained 3 grams of explosives. For perspective, a standard NATO hand grenade contains 180 grams of explosives, so no, these pagers were not car bombs, not even grenades, the charge was so small that Hezbollah technicians did not find it while examining the pagers.
Those who were injured literally had to have the pager on their body (pocket/belt) or in front of their face, even then 3500+ people were injured and 40 died, which is a 99% survival rate.
Lets make it closer, how about at arm's length?
(You are not gonna watch it, so in short a guy in the middle of the market "explodes" and the other 3 guys around him escape without a scratch.)
These pager "bombs" were more like firecrackers, nothing close to a gas explosion.

What an utterly messed up justification of mass terrorism. What explosive size and fatality rate do we need to satisfy your completely arbitrary and nonsensical criteria?

[Ludicus]

The UN has always been anti-Semitic since its foundation,
The United Nations, Israel and Antisemitism -ADL
UN General Assembly condemns Israel 14 times in 2023

The UN is a diplomatic terrorist organization, that emboldens terror
General Assembly Mulls Over Resolution Demanding End of Demanding End of Israel’s Occupation of Palestinian Land within 12 Months...

Israel’s Delegate Rejects Text as ‘Diplomatic Terrorism’

FM Katz: UN has become 'antisemitic, anti-Israel body’ that ’emboldens terror

Pope Francis is antisemite.
Pope slams immoral use of force in Gaza and Lebanon

Francis, as leader of the world's 1.4 billion Catholics, often makes calls for an end to violent conflicts, but is usually cautious about appearing to determine the aggressors. He has spoken more openly in recent weeks about Israel's military actions in its nearly year-long war against Hamas.
Last week, the pope said Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon were "unacceptable" and urged the international community to do everything possible to halt the fighting. In a Sept. 28 press conference, he decried the deaths of Palestinian children in Israeli strikes in Gaza.
Francis said on Sunday he speaks on the phone with members of a Catholic parish in Gaza "every day". He said the parishioners tell him about conditions on the ground, and "also the cruelty that is happening there".

The authors are antisemites. The Guardian is antisemite.
Netanyahu's lethal bombs will turn Lebanon into another into another Gaza. He must be brought down now-Guardian
With Gaza in ruins and Lebanon under siege, what defence remains for Israel’s actions?- Guardian.

Biden’s most famous line: "I've been working tirelessly in this deal, we are closer than we've ever been"- while giving more $3.5bn more in military aid to Israel.

[Coughdrop addict]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-its-options

Iran’s reformist-led government has said it has no plans to send troops to reinforce Hezbollah in Lebanon, but it is coming under domestic pressure from hardliners seeking to exploit what they regard as a failure to stand up to Israel – and also hoping to block any discussion with the west over future oversight of Iran’s nuclear programme.
Calls for a tougher Iranian response redoubled when it emerged that Brig Gen Abbas Nilforushan, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) deputy commander for Lebanon and Syria, had been killed in Beirut alongside the Hezbollah chief, Hassan Nasrallah.

Such is the tension in Iran that some conservatives have been accused of sowing a poisonous atmosphere on social media by distorting remarks made by the president, Masoud Pezeshkian, and his spokesperson to make them appear unsupportive of the “axis of resistance”.
The dominant line in government circles remains that a direct war between Israel and Iran should be avoided as it would play into Benjamin Netanyahu’s hands and draw in the US – but that Hezbollah should not be left to fight alone. This was the position Pezeshkian rehearsed in New York last week before Nasrallah’s killing.

I found this take to be particularly interesting. For years I had assumed that, like most autocrats eventually do, Iran's leaders had come to believe their own propaganda. I thought they were chomping at the bit to go to war with Israel in the certainty Israel would crumble before their divinely-protected soldiers.

However, it seems I was mistaken and at least some of Iran's leaders still live in reality.

[Papay]

Scientists are closing in on the true, horrifying scale of death and disease in Gaza | Devi Sridhar | The Guardian

New estimates about the death toll in Gaza speak about 350.000 dead

[Mithradates]

I love that now the narrative is that the pagers were practically harmless ("only 1% of the targets died"). This Christmas on sale at toys r us.

You can't have your magnificent Israeli anti-terrorist operation and your were nothing but firecrackers too

The pagers were not harmeless, they injured 3500+ people, these people can no longer help the terrorist organization and Hezbollah's communication network has been damaged.

What an utterly messed up justification of mass terrorism. What explosive size and fatality rate do we need to satisfy your completely arbitrary and nonsensical criteria?

You two are upset now because Israel terrorized... members of a terrorist organization?