Hamas attacks southern Israel

[Ludicus]

US probably (and rightly) realises that this arrest warrant only has symbolic value

Not exactly. To visit any of the 123 countries that are members of the ICC risks his arrest. Its a public humilation.

It would be incredibly naive not to recognize that Netanyahu….

...is doing what he has always done/ wanted to do. Heis seeking to gain more time to commit more mass massacres, deepen the genocide, destroy the entire Gaza Strip, and push its Palestinians out of the territory.
Read, The Origins of Netanyahu's “All-Systems Assault” on Israeli—New Yorker ...
And, CASE STUDY: ISRAEL- Global State of Democracy 2023 Report
A brief except,

(…) The proposed reforms are particularly significant amid broader democratic declines and previous attempts by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to undermine democratic institutions (Oren and Waxman 2022;Eisen, Patel and Smith 2023). Since Netanyahu took office in 2009 Israel has witnessed a notable shift towards nationalist and illiberal policies. The 2018 Nation-State Law, defining Israel as the ‘nation-state of the Jewish people’ (Al Jazeera 2018), promoted settlement expansion, which critics saw as marginalizing non-Jewish minorities and institutionalizing Palestinian
oppression (Beaumont 2018). Netanyahu has adopted several strategies to aggrandize executive power, including targeting independent institutions such as the judiciary, police, media, and civil society organizations (Chotiner 2023). He has also manipulated societal divisions, as seen in his contentious plan to deport African migrants and his support for right-wing nationalism, which eroded democratic institutions and exacerbated religious and racial inequalities within Israel (Taylor 2018; Al Jazeera 2023c; Grossman 2023). Under Netanyahu’s leadership, settlement expansion received government
approval, consolidating Israeli control and making the establishment of a viable Palestinian state increasingly challenging (Bar-Siman-Tov 2010; Al Jazeera 2023c; United Nations 2023). Although Israel has never officially annexed most of the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), persistent demands for increased authority over these lands has been a salient issue in Israeli politics (Tessler 1986). Netanyahu’s 2019 pledge (Times of Israel 2019) to extend Israeli sovereignty over the OPT indicated a shift towards a permanent presence and departure from previous government support for a two-state solution (Farsakh 2011). This aligned him with right-wing and nationalist factions favouring West Bank incorporation into Israel. Moreover, his administration introduced policies and legislative proposals aimed at annexing
Palestinian land, which sought to further integrate Jewish settlers into Israel and limit the prospects for a Palestinian state or full citizenship (Landau 2020) (...)

On the whole it supports the ICC when it suits them (Prosecution of Putin) and opposes it when it doesn't (American Servicemembers Protection Act aka The Hague Invasion Act). So, nothing new here, really

This deserves a more in-depth comment.A few months ago (last October) , the Foreign Affairs magazine published an article calling for the US government to join the ICC, entitled "It's Time for America to Join the International Criminal Court - Holding Putin to Account Will Require Offering the Court More Than Just Intelligence". I suspect it was the hypocritical euphoria of the moment (The ICC is on the side of the good guys!) that inspired the Foreign Affairs to write this article:

This July, U.S. President Joe Biden ordered his government to begin sharing information with the International Criminal Court’s investigation into atrocities committed in Ukraine. It was a surprising decision: the United States is not a member of the ICC, and for months the U.S. Department of Defense resisted the idea of assisting this ICC investigation, concerned about treading on a slippery slope that could one day lead to prosecutions of U.S. military and intelligence personnel. But both the White House and Congress appear to have set the Pentagon’s concerns aside.

In fact, once the ICC was created, the US passed the ASPA that prohibited providing any support to the ICC. That same year, however, an amendment was passed to the law allowing exceptions for when the US could assist the international courts and tribunals as long as they targeted designated US "enemies" or other foreign nationals, prioritizing its own foreign policy goals over wider international criminal justice efforts.

But actually, it's even worse than that: they are as quick to support international justice as they are to sanction it, whenever it suits them. I wonder why David Sheffer, the American diplomat who headed the U.S. delegation that negotiated the Rome Statute on behalf of the Clinton presidency wrote these words: “The Trump Executive Order against the ICC will go down in history as a shameful act of fear and retreat from the rule of law”.
Well, that’s exactly what is happening now.
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Last edit,fresh news.
Right now, there is a broad consensus that there must be peace.
Joint Statement from the Leaders of the United States, Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, and the United Kingdom on Gaza-WHITE HOUSE

...as outlined by President Biden on May 31, 2024. There is no time to lose. We call on Hamas to close this agreement, that Israel is ready to move forward with, and begin the process of releasing our citizens. We note that this agreement would lead to an immediate ceasefire and rehabilitation of Gaza together with security assurances for Israelis, and Palestinians, and opportunities for a more enduring long-term peace and a two-state solution. At this decisive moment, we call on the leaders of Israel as well as Hamas to make whatever final compromises are necessary to close this deal.

Great news, but Israel is not ready to "move forward with" and will never accept a lasting peace or a two-state solution. It is only interested in an exchange of prisoners.Hamas says it will deal positively with any ceasefire deal based on the war’s total halt.


Spain applies to join South Africa's case at top UN court accusing Israel of genocide.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

4 hostages have been rescued, alive, by the IDF in an operation in Nuseirat. One of the 4, Noa Argamani, had a hostage voice recording of hers released just recently by Hamas, and her kidnapping video had gone viral, she was one of the faces of the war. Now she is free from those monsters.

[Kyriakos]

You are acting like the palestinians are alien caterpillars so it doesn't matter how many die to save 1 jewish person since the latter trumps all loss of the former.

[Ludicus]

An American hospital, NYU Langone in New York, recently fired an award-winning nurse, who is Palestinian American, because in her award acceptance speech, she referred to the ongoing genocide in Gaza: “it pains me to see the women from my country going through unimaginable losses themselves during the current genocide in Gaza."

On this topic, The Guardian published an article on June 6th titled:A US hospital fired an acclaimed nurse for talking about Gaza. Where is the outrage?
from which I quote some excerpts:

Hesen Jabr, a labor and delivery nurse, was recently honored by her employer, NYU Langone Health in New York, for her work with grieving mothers who had lost babies during pregnancy and childbirth. A supervisor read from a note that said Jabr ‘not only provides stellar patient care, but also provides support for the rest of the nursing staff so that we can all live up to her example.’ Jabr, who is Palestinian American, graciously accepted the award and took the opportunity to devote a small portion of her remarks to draw a connection with grieving mothers in Gaza. Her bosses, she has said, told her she had ‘put others at risk’, ‘ruined the ceremony’ and ‘offended people’ with her remarks. She...was read a termination letter and escorted out by a police officer.

It occurred to me that not long ago, this past May, Senator Lindsey Graham called on Israel to commit a nuclear genocide in Gaza. Several articles have been published about this infamy, but it is enough to quote the title of the "Independent," published on May 13th, because the title says it all: Lindsey Graham suggests Israel should nuke Gaza and Calls Hiroshima ‘the Right Decision.


But there’s more. I quote the New Republic, in an article published the following day, May 14th, titled Republican Congressman Joins Lindsey Graham in Calls to Nuke Gaza.

Graham and Murphy aren’t the first in Congress to suggest nuking the besieged Palestinian territory, though, as Representative Tim Walberg, another Republican, suggested that ‘it should be like Hiroshima and Nagasaki,’ at a town hall meeting in late March.

It makes one want to ask, just as The Guardian did regarding the firing of nurse Hesen Jabr: "Where is the outrage?"

Now I know why Nethanyahu's extremist government has the firm intention of sending 2.3 million Palestinians into the desert. There aren't enough scapegoats in Israel to atone for their sins.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

You are acting like the palestinians are alien caterpillars so it doesn't matter how many die to save 1 jewish person since the latter trumps all loss of the former.

Guh? How is that your conclusion from my post?

[agnes69]

Noah Argamani was held hostage by an Al Jazeera journalist and his doctor father who worked for Hamas.


Such a sweet, intelligent family of peaceful Gazavat people. Yes?

[Ludicus]

UN adds Israel to global list of offenders that harm children
video report- Body parts in the streets' as Israel intensifies attacks in central Gaza –
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A few nights ago, I watched the documentary "Night Will Fall" on TV at home. It's a documentary produced by Andre Singer that recounts the making of Bernstein's 1945 documentary, “Concentration Camps Factual Survey”, with Hitchcock acting as "treatment counsellor".The documentary captures the true essence of the Holocaust. The Guardian got it right. The Holocaust film that was too shocking to show

Crossman’s script ends with these words: “Unless the world learns the lessons these pictures teach, night will fall. But, by God’s grace, we who live will learn.”
Does Singer go along with that? “I wish they had proven to be correct, but since 1945 there have been a number of genocides that have not been stopped by lessons from the past.”

The next day, I read in the daily newspapers Israeli nationalists march for Jerusalem Day

The boys formed a circle, jumping and chanting “Wipe them out” referring to Palestinians.

They have learned nothing. Least of all the grandchildren of those who suffered and died in the concentration camps. Where did the night fall?

[agnes69]

Hostages are Hamas's main strategic trump card on which the survival of the top leadership depends. Therefore, by definition, hostages are trusted only to absolutely proven and absolutely trusted veterans of the Reich. Whoever they are - doctors or Al-Jazeera journalists - they are the most reliable and trusted members of the terrorist organization. Not only will they not trust any random people, but they will not even allow them to get close.


So all these cries about the “Nuseirat Chainsaw Massacre” will be shoved up their ass. The fact that YAMAM, working in the very center of the Hamas core, managed to save the lives of all the cubs of trusted veterans of the Hamas Reich (see above - hostages are trusted only to the most reliable and trusted members of the organization), speaks of the completely transcendental humanism of the IDF and YAMAM. Although I do not consider this humanism, but exactly the opposite.

[Kyriakos]

Hamas reich sounds scary. Too bad (or rather very good) that it's a ridiculous analogy given that Hamas, unlike nazi Germany, is supported by the murders of a sea of palestinians by Israel, not some popular palestinian aspiration to conquer neighboring countries- Hamas doesn't even HAVE a country since Gaza is occupied.
If you want Hamas and other such terror groups to gradually become extinct, the obvious way would be to finally allow the palestinians to have a country.

[Muizer]

The United Nations Security Council has voted to support a US-proposed Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan.

Here's an interesting quote from US President Biden on what he believes the proposal means:

For the past several months, my negotiators of foreign policy, intelligence community, and the like have been relentlessly focused not just on a ceasefire that would eve- — that would inevitably be fragile and temporary but on a durable end to the war. That’s been the focus: a durable end to this war. One that brings all the hostages home, ensures Israel’s security, creates a better “day after” in Gaza without Hamas in power, and sets the stage for a political settlement that provides a better future for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

However, while the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is stipulated explicitly there's actually nothing in it saying that Hamas won't remain in power. Why the double standard?

[Siblesz]

ou are acting like the palestinians are alien caterpillars so it doesn't matter how many die to save 1 jewish person since the latter trumps all loss of the former.

That is basically the Israeli logic... they are celebrating how 4 Israelis got rescued and how 200 Palestinians died in the process of the rescue (mostly innocent civilians btw)... they don't give a single sh!te for the 200 Palestinians who lost their lives for those 4 Israelis... the Israeli tribal logic is the worst of mankind. It makes me deeply sick to my stomach and makes me utterly ashamed to be a human being. I really don't get it... it's as if some human beings have a completely different "logic" that is not logical. It is regimented by tribal loyalties and complete emotional bypassing of objectivity. It really truly sickens me, and for all that I know, I know very very well that if we somehow do not biohack the human brain to solve this problem, we WILL become an extinct species in the next two to three generations. At this point, disillusionment with mankind is an understatement of how I feel. There is a definite tragedy to this entire conflict that is reverberating across the world... and it's not only about the loss of civilian life, the starvation, the entire destruction of Gaza... it's more than that. It's showing how little we have progressed from the wars of the 20th century. That this idea of "civilization" is only really very surface level deep, and that most of us, at heart, are actually brutally savage apes that are violent and tribal and ready to kill for the slightest grievance, completely conditioned idiotic monkeys that are proud and wrathful. Really, I am out of words of how to describe the idiocy of mankind at this point... Israel is supposed to be a developed, highly educated nation. So that most of Israelis are acting in this matter only makes it worse.... and sets a really bad precedent for the next fifty years of human history... I fret to think about how many more horrible genocides will happen before we all wipe ourselves out in a cloud of radioactive smoke.


But there is another side of me that always says, "It's gonna be alright. We'll find a way out of it. We will evolve." I hope that side of me right...

[Kyriakos]

The United Nations Security Council has voted to support a US-proposed Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan.

Here's an interesting quote from US President Biden on what he believes the proposal means:



However, while the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is stipulated explicitly there's actually nothing in it saying that Hamas won't remain in power. Why the double standard?

Because the wish is to stop israelis from butchering that many palestinians that it will become impossible even for the US to defend Israel.

[PointOfViewGun]

The United Nations Security Council has voted to support a US-proposed Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan.
Here's an interesting quote from US President Biden on what he believes the proposal means:
However, while the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is stipulated explicitly there's actually nothing in it saying that Hamas won't remain in power. Why the double standard?

Israeli actions in Gaza leads to more Hamas in Gaza. The opposite paves the way for Hamas' removal from Gaza.

[Ludicus]

The United Nations Security Council has voted to support a US-proposed Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan.

Here's an interesting quote from US President Biden on what he believes the proposal means

Netanyahu has categorically denied his agreement with the proposal made by the U.S. "on behalf of Israel," which was approved by the Security Council, as referenced by the Australian Jewish News in an article titled." UN Security Council adopts motion urging Hamas to to accept Israeli hostage-truce offer

And I quote:

Immediately following the broadcast, Netanyahu’s office called it misleading and said the claim Israel had agreed to end the war before achieving its goals was “a total lie.”
Contrary to what Netanyahu has insisted, the four-page document apparently does not include the elimination of Hamas as a governing force in Gaza, and does include an Israeli commitment to end the war even before all the hostages are released, Channel 12 reported.”

Throughout the eight months of war, the U.S. has systematically rejected ceasefire proposals submitted to the UN Security Council by various countries. With Gaza practically destroyed, the population starving, and thousands of civilians dead, this ambiguous proposal made by Biden “on behalf of Israel” finally emerges and is immediately and categorically denied by Netanyahu as a total lie. Meanwhile, Blinken says, and I quote, that “Hamas must decide quickly on 'extraordinarily generous' Israel offer.”
All this is starting to seem like one of those police movies with the good cop (Biden) and the bad cop (Netanyahu)...after all, what has Israel agreed to? Just a temporary ceasefire for a prisoner exchange, and then the war continues...? Or not even that? Reut Shapir Ben Naftaly, Israel’s representative diplomat at the United Nations, after the approval of the proposal presented by Linda Thomas-Greenfield "on behalf of Israel," stated verbatim: “We will continue until all of the hostages are returned and until Hamas’ military and governing capabilities are dismantled. Israel will not engage in meaningless and endless negotiations” - I am quoting UN News Gaza: Security Council adopts US resolution calling for ‘immediate, full and complete ceasefire’

[nhytgbvfeco2]

Israeli actions in Gaza leads to more Hamas in Gaza. The opposite paves the way for Hamas' removal from Gaza.

Yeah, if we just let Hamas kill all the Jews it'll pave the way for Hamas' removal. Good one trot.. wait.. I just got deja vu.

[Ludicus]

Yeah, if we just let Hamas kill all the Jews it'll pave the way for Hamas' removal.

nhytgbvfeco2, are you a victim of the victim syndrome? When independence is achieved, history teaches that national liberation terrorism naturally dies out and disappears. Only then, never before

Invented Settler Colonial Victimhood..

Underlying the logic of war and conflict that proliferates global narratives on the Israeli state’s ongoing onslaught in Gaza and the Occupied West Bank, is a subtly communicated victimhood conferred to the settler colonial state. Much like South African racialized victims resisting and ‘transitioning’ from a white-minority apartheid state, Palestinians find themselves subjected to a displaced empathy that delegitimizes their victimhood and liberationist efforts through the language of conflict and ‘terrorism’.

I cannot help but draw parallels with the very same disdain and indifference shown to Palestinian victim communities who are subjected to inhumane inquisitions to evidence their victimhood. The potency of an Israeli-Zionist victim complex is such that daily accounts of settler terror in the Occupied West Bank do not suffice. Restrictions on the movement of a whole population through ‘terminals’ or checkpoints do not suffice. The establishment of diasporas formed by generational exile does not suffice. Palestinians must also reach for a ‘dramatic climax’, pulling their martyred from the rubble and thrusting them in front of cameras in the hopes that the world may not only bear witness to their suffering but also identify a common humanity.

(...) Similarly, in the Palestinian experience, the Israeli terror state strips racialized victim communities of a claim to human vulnerability by superimposing an invented Israeli-Zionist nation-state victimhood. All the while it pursues and furthers the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through the bombardment of villages, refugee camps, hospitals, churches, mosques, and knowledge institutions both in Gaza and the Occupied West Bank. Israel has not held back in using the language of ‘security’ against a perpetual Palestinian ‘threat’, in justifying the internal displacement of more than half of Gaza’s population since October of this year. In comparing genocidal violence against Indigenous Americans and Palestinians, Jordanian and Palestinian-American scholar Steven Salaita, remarks that Israel’s holy sovereignty, fashioned from Euro-American religious myths of white superiority, becomes a key feature in contextualising Israel’s self-victimisation. Further to that, we can see in real-time how Israel continues to exploit an exclusive Holocaust memory in staking claim to biblical ‘holy lands’, as a defence of its colonial conquest.
...Therefore, as we advocate for Palestinian freedom today, I suggest an important starting point to be a conscious effort to problematize and resist suffocating narratives of conflict that continue to delegitimize and deradicalize victimhood. This is a reminder that you need not be a historian or international legal expert to grasp the fundamentals of ongoing Palestinian oppression.

[Muizer]

Because the wish is to stop israelis from butchering that many palestinians that it will become impossible even for the US to defend Israel.

What kind of answer is that Kyriakos? A peace proposal is not a wish list or a plea to "please stop!" It is, or rather should be, an agreement that is acceptable to the combatants taking into account their war aims and capabilities, the situation on the ground and the perspective for the future.

When independence is achieved, history teaches that national liberation terrorism naturally dies out and disappears. Only then, never before

I see. So Israel can end the Hamas threat by ceasing to exist. How very clever of you. Why didn't the Israelis think of that.

[PointOfViewGun]

Yeah, if we just let Hamas kill all the Jews it'll pave the way for Hamas' removal. Good one trot.. wait.. I just got deja vu.

Not carpet bombing Gaza is not equal to letting Hamas kill all the Jews. What you have there is not deja vu but dishonest argumentation.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

nhytgbvfeco2, are you a victim of the victim syndrome? When independence is achieved, history teaches that national liberation terrorism naturally dies out and disappears. Only then, never before

Invented Settler Colonial Victimhood..

Hamas does not seek national liberation, Ludicus. It seeks to wipe out Israel and a second Holocaust, and to establish a caliphate. The two state solution simply cannot happen with Hamas in the picture.

Not carpet bombing Gaza is not equal to letting Hamas kill all the Jews. What you have there is not deja vu but dishonest argumentation.

You'll struggle to find a less rapid and deadly example of 'carpet bombing' than the 8+ month long Gaza war.

[PointOfViewGun]

You'll struggle to find a less rapid and deadly example of 'carpet bombing' than the 8+ month long Gaza war.

Bombings are not occurring at an equally spread intervals to use 8+ months campaign as one bombing campaign. Even if we use that kind of logic we see that the Israeli bombardment even surpassed the destruction of Raqqa. So, not really, I won't really struggle to find any such examples. Israel's bombing of Gaza is brutal, extensive and often unrelated to fighting Hamas as demonstrated by Israeli forces themselves putting up videos of how they demolish entire residential neighborhoods and government buildings (such as the parliament building of Gaza) through the use of well-placed charges.